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Paging the millstone manufacturer, as there are a number of orders that need to be shipped!!!!

Love that!

I fully support Survivor's position of revealing the truth. NTM is investigating abuses that have occurred in their boarding schools worldwide. As a victim who wasn't completely heard or supported by the ministry and some of her extended family, it was appropriate for Survivor to speak in this forum that is particularly designed to expose the unresolved sin issues. When ALL the sin isn't confessed the consequence is that it is easier for the enemy to use it to continue to harm the victims and the Lord's work.

I would pose these questions to anyone not getting why Survivor is speaking up now? How would you feel if this had happened to you and you saw your abuse being minimized? And later you were told to drop it because you were dividing the family? Wasn't it the perpetrator that caused the division? Not the victim. And while your life continued to struggle with the lifelong effects of the abuse, the perpetrator continued in ministry without investing in any significant counseling or humble submission to spiritual authority in an Herculean effort to establish grave broken trust issues. When all the sin wasn't confessed it is easier for the enemy to use it to continue to harm the victims, and the Lord's work. .

If you think if you were Survivor, you would not speak up so publicly as this, then let me ask you this. What if it was your sister? Your daughter? Your granddaughter? Your niece? When WOULD you speak up and support the victim that was robbed of childhood innocence?

It is obvious that the family of the perpetrator has not studied much about child molestation or sexual abuse. Yes, things are suddenly remembered because it is so prevalent that things are repressed by the abused and often even the abuser. It breaks my heart that I see his daughter as another victim of the ugly deep sin.

You know, I just re-read Armour's letter to his supporters. He is slick. BUT, he is not slick enough for the GRACE team. They have prosecuted over 200 "Christian" sexual abuse perpetrators. The attorneys and therapists on the GRACE board are not fooled.

NTM - I know you said you are meeting with GRACE this next weekend. It is TIME NOW to get moving on this and the Phillipines. NOW - Monday, like OT says!

Thank you AuntieBear. God bless you for your wise words that I know come from mother/auntie heart. We love you.

Thanks so much for all your support. I know the other victims need to hear it as well, the ones who haven't yet come forward and the ones who are still trying to find their words. The last time all of this blew up was about 3 yrs ago. I did not have as much support around me at the time so I am very thankful for it now. thanks for fighting with me.
Please don't beat up on my cousin so much. I am hurt by the things she wrote but I know that she wants to so badly believe her dad. To believe the truth would just be a pain beyond understanding. To realize that the "truth" your own dad had been telling you for years was in fact a big cover-up, would be so hurtful. How does someone even deal with that? And her entire life was affected by her dad's sin as well, and continues to be affected by it. So although she may not have been sexually abused, she has been victim of his lies and deception too. My heart breaks for her and the others who have for years believed Steve.
Ornery, thanks so much for your words.
Momof4: You described repentence so perfectly. This has always been our desire and what we have wanted to see from Steve. We have never seen this from him. He always just wanted us to accept whatever he said and did but never was there humility and asking what it was that the victims needed from him.
Back in '98 when we were dialoguing with Scott Ross he said that Steve reacted exactly as a pedophile. He fit the pattern exactly of how a pedophile would act when they are found out and confronted. There are patterns.
And I agree with auntiebear (love you) it does not appear that anyone who believes Steve has done any kind of research or reading on sexual abuse. Many of the things Cynthia mentioned in her letter as "proof" that the victims were wrong or in the wrong, were actually proof that they were victims. This is how victims react. Anyone knowing anything about abuse would see that as what it was.
Oh, and one final thing for now. You all are just now reading two documentations from Steve's viewpoint. I just wanted to point out that this is what it has been like for me since '98 when I said we would take this to field leadership. Once I knew he had abused my sister as well, there was no way I was going to stay quiet. From that time on, I have heard endless things like this from Steve and those who believe him. Since I'm the most vocal victim, I have been the target. I would have it no other way though. If they need someone to target, let it be me. This survivor will not be quiet. I will not be intimidated or controlled. I know who I am in Christ and He saw fit to make me a Warrior.

I did not know Steve Armour was one of the pedophiles until I began reading posts on this forum. I do not know him personally, but I know his wife. When I found out, it was like a punch to the stomach because all I had seen at a distance in letters, emails, pictures was the 'perfect Christian family'. I honestly wondered at so much joy, but put it down to high serotonin levels or something. Still I believed in them up to a point. After finding out, I went and looked at their pictures, everyone happy, grinning, the wife snuggled up to Steve, and I felt like being physically ill. I couldn't sleep well at night, just going over and over it. Why do Christians defend pedophiles? If a 15-year-old girl gets pregnant, she's out the door, but a dirty old man is defended. I don't get it! And now these letters in which the perpetrator is noble and almost becomes the victim. It's just shocking!

I just want to express my solidarity to the victims and say you were abused and all the men who did it were evil, evil, evil!! And you are all being righteous and courageous when you stand up and refuse to play the game of 'uncle whoever' didn't mean anything bad. It was a weeny mistake! Now he's sorry. Poor him.

This is what is blowing my mind about the church lately too. Sexual sin between two consenting adults is condemned, often publicly and could get you thrown out of fellowship, but a sexual act of violence committed against a helpless and nonconsenting child is condoned by silence, by forgiving the perpetrator and keeping the offense hidden and allowing the pedophile to continue in ministry. What in the hell? And yes I do mean hell.

The thing I find the saddest about the letter from Steve's daughter is how she minimizes what happened. I find that sad for those who suffered the abuse and also for her. She is a victim and she sounds desperate herself.

The minimization of the events: "Only for a second" and "only one time" and "undeveloped chest" and more is grievous.

To those of you who suffered abuse at Steve Armour's hand, please know that from reading his daughter's letter, it is plain to me, an 'outsider', that he was sexually abusive. I commend you for your courage to continue on this path for justice and to protect others. I really do. I cannot imagine how much you are putting on the line to be truthful about what happened to you and I pray you come forth victorious in many, many ways.