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There are some discussions about what legal options are available on the "Legal Options" thread under "GRACE investigations results." There is more on that general topic, and some specific things about vigilante justice, on the "Crime and Punishment" thread.

NTM could, of course, do a lot, and do it right now. They already know who the preps are. They can notify local law enforcement officers, NOT in order to have them arrested (probably not possible), but in order to "rat them out" so they can be watched. Most law enforcement agencies are actually interested in what used to be called "tips."

NTM could hire private investigation agencies to investigate these perps, and those with whom the perps have had contact. The chances are overwhelming that they have committed similar crimes in the United States that they did in other countries. Can vicitms be located in the United States? Very likely.

NTM could give all the information they have about these other perps to GRACE, as well as the names of as many potential / actual victims that they know of, and ask GRACE to contact the victims so they can network, band together and be ready should there be a breakthrough.

Or, NTM can send their spokesperson out to deflect attention with "minor inaccuracies," "lose" some documents, blame past leadership and start some internal investigations with outside agencies that report only to NTM.

Gene, those sound like good options to me. I totally agree with making noise in that direction.

And I really, really hope NTM is listening. And will take action. Or maybe quit moving long enough to think and realize what is the RIGHT thing to do, if that's what they need.

And I'd like to see the rest of the boarding schools & fields listed as well as abuse by tribal people... wouldn't a clean slate, an open book, honesty & integrity-- be a healing thing for everyone? Of course, that takes a lot of courage on all sides....

Thanks for your courage, Another MK. It takes a lot of that, to post anything on here when you are a current member of NTM! I wince sometimes at the way "Tribers" are pounced on on this Forum. Because I used to be a "Triber" too.
I believe your questions are genuine and legitimate. I myself, while being a fan of OT's "water torture" posts, find that his "Dial 911" advice brings the same questions up in my mind. I have not been openly revealing my private attempts to get someone to hear me and put the Aritao Pedophile in prison where he belongs. But I truly have been trying. At every turn I find myself blocked. I was not the one molested, my children were. And they are not the ones desiring to see him locked up, I am. The crimes were committed overseas, and were only "alleged" there, never "proven". The molester has never been caught here in the U.S., so for over 17 years, he's been roaming free.
Am I frustrated? Very much so! I don't like being made to feel by OT that I'm not doing enough, because I haven't dialed 911. If he could get more action from law enforcement regarding this man who lives in Chesapeake, VA, then I'd LOVE to see him do it!
Please don't be discouraged about participating in this forum, Another MK. OT posted some great stuff last night that wise, well-known heroes have said about the need for debate and discussion. If we all sang only one note on here it would get monotonous.
Keep thinking, praying, and speaking up!

@Yunker - You sure know how to phrase things to stop conversation. How successful have you been when you seem to want others to be on the defensive or go back into silence?

Thank you Another MK for not retreating but staying here. You are stepping up to courage and i am grateful.

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Another MK I join with that. The NTers I know and whom I have been friends with for years aren't talking. Don't know where they are at (but that is another subject, I guess.) I'd sure like to know what the logic is behind NTM's current position and not using GRACE any more. But more importantly, if the mission is the people (yet another subject) then it is the people from within who could influence change in attitude and action. I'm not a person who likes to speak up, but I find when I do, then I find out what the attitude of my boss or leadership really is. It's worth doing.

Guess I'm another disfuntional quoter!

Those quote things are hard to get right sometimes...

We all need to be very careful about jumping all over everybody. A legitimate question was asked on here. What was this person supposed to do, and for asking such a question was pounded. They have a good point, if they picked up the phone and called 911 right now and said that their emergency was that there was an abuser loose and told them that it took place 20 years ago and to people they do not even know yada yada yada, they would be fined for calling 911 with a non- emergency. The abusers are loose and that is very bad, but this person has no info to give the police about the matters. They want answers on things that they can legally do to help here.
Thank you FrmrNTer for giving sound advice... Speak up to the leadership you have now, tell them that the victims need heard, the crimes need investigated, an outside source such as GRACE needs to be the one investigating and should not be answering to a NTM committee since none of the victims trust NTM right now. If enough Members say these things it will greatly help all of the victims. If the EC does not listen to you, the members, then it really does show you where their hearts are.
The criminals do need to be reported to the authorities, the organization who helped cover everything up should be held for aiding and embedding these criminals. We can divide and conquer while standing together as one, so lets try not to turn on each other.
Ornery, I am pretty sure I am going to hear from you, which makes me laugh. I love reading all of your posts. Can there be a bright spot on this forum? The banter between the former Via students makes me smile. Thank you for bringing some smiles in the depth of all of this pain.

What can NTM do? Maybe this could be phrased differently. What is NTM not doing/doing?

Not doing:

1) Communicating with the abused in an open and honest and respectful way. Silence is not golden and is interpreted as contempt to most.
2) Conceding that NTM has lost enough credibility so as to ask for outside help with no manipulation involved.
3) Acknowledge that it is NTM's core operating principals that have led to abuse and therefore NTM must be restructured top to bottom to survive.
4) Assume that everything said on this website is true until and unless found out to be any otherwise.
5) The EC is not turning over this whole investigation to outside leadership who have full athority to conduct the investigation and restructure how NTM operates as an entity.

Doing:

1) NTM appears to be doing the minimum needed to address abuse victims concerns.
2) NTM appears to be shrinking back from any more Fanda GRACE type reports.
3) NTM formed an internal committee to address abuse victim concerns and conduct investigations into other school abuse. The result of this approach will not end well. Newsflash: NTM cannot "manage" the eruptions now occuring and which will continue to occur indefinitely. Credibility will continue to errode.
4) NTM shows no sign of willingness to change the way it conducts business other than window dressing. Core values still remain which allow for abuse. A number fo these core values are not Biblical nor ever have been, or are unbalanced.
5) Transparency is still not a core value to NTM any more than garlic is to dracula

Since this is not a forum to extoll the virtues of NTM, but is to address NTM abuse and to help victims, I am not enumerating any NTM virtues even though they exist. As to individual members of NTM, these are actual people and have to be looked at as such on an individual basis as we do everyone else. NTM as a system needs to go. As in all things, renewal is required to avoid becoming irrelevent. Lack of proper and complete commitment by NTM to get to the bottom of all abuse is speaking so loudly we can't hear much else these days.

Very good point, Denise. We learned this many years ago. 911 is not the number to call for 20 year old instances of abuse, and it takes a bit of research of information for the state you live in, the state the perp lives in, etc. to get the correct number to report these types of abuses. They should still be reported. Take the time to do the research.

As much as I wish it were this simple - to call 911 - I don't want to give the impression that to attempt to do this is the extent of any bystanders responsibility.

Thanx for the posts here I too have wondered about what I can do as a current member. I pray and talk and write emails but it does not seem enough. I want to talk to someone in person or over the phone but am finding it hard to find the time. I will keep trying to speak up. I'm not very happy to be part of NTM right now but I have others to consider not just myself.