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 Post subject: Re: Panama report
PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:00 pm 
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I'll repeat my FB post here so that all can see it: "I'm so glad they didn't name the abusers, so they don't have to spend a lot of time explaining their actions, or inaction, to their supporters and they can go on with their "ministry"." :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Panama report
PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:01 pm 
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And, ThreeWillows, both of your postings pretty much nailed it.


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 Post subject: Re: Panama report
PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:37 pm 
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I also think that the section on the difficult political situation in Panama at that time is a complete red herring. They would not, in any case, involve local law enforcement in "internal" affairs, like child abuse or rape.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:40 pm 
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"Here are statistics for the 2015-2016 school year for children whose parents are with NTM USA and who are living overseas:
 427 children
o 282 children homeschooling (66% of total)
o 145 children attending traditional schools (34% of total)
o 15 of the 145 are NTM USA children in NTM boarding schools (3.5% of total)"

Can this really be the case? Only _15_ NTM-USA children in boarding school?


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:46 pm 
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"For the 19 individuals found with culpability in the investigation, the following actions were taken by NTM following Panel recommendations tailored to the level of offense found.

Twelve individuals had actions that were determined to be at a level that required dismissal by NTM policy standards.

o Current members with findings at this level were dismissed.
o Most of these individuals were not current members of NTM, and their permanent records at NTM were amended to “dismissed.”
o Two of the individuals were minors at the time of the offenses and did not receive dismissal notices since they were never employed by NTM. They were reported to the authorities along with the others.
o One of the group was deceased and no notice of findings was prepared. 

Seven individuals were found with levels of culpability that required action, though less than dismissal."

Why can't we know the names of those who were "dismissed"? And what does this really mean? How does it affect them today?

As usual, most of those who we found culpable are not part of NTM-USA. How convenient! :roll:


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Where do I start. The same thing all over again, and again, and not just NTM.

JerryB on the kids in boarding school you notice they say NTM boarding schools. 19 kids must be only one school. 145 are in "traditional schools" including the 19. So that says to me those 145 may be in other boarding schools. Homeschooling is not necessarily safe either. They mention the reason for boarding schools was to protect the children from sexual abuse in the tribe. Are parents watching their children that close to protect them, you know they have a lot of mission work to do.

Of course they aren't going to name any abusers that might inform their neighbors that they are sex offenders or at least abusive.

Panama MKs sending you love. I am so sorry this report is so approving of evil.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:00 pm 
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JerryB wrote:
"Here are statistics for the 2015-2016 school year for children whose parents are with NTM USA and who are living overseas:
 427 children
o 282 children homeschooling (66% of total)
o 145 children attending traditional schools (34% of total)
o 15 of the 145 are NTM USA children in NTM boarding schools (3.5% of total)"

Can this really be the case? Only _15_ NTM-USA children in boarding school?


Traditional schools would be schools in cities. My understanding is that some children live with other missionaries in the cities so they can attend schools instead of the boarding school model used in the past. So while 15 kids are in boarding schools, there may be additional kids who do not live with their parents for significant parts of the year, but are not living in dorms, either, so they would not fall into the boarding school definition.

I am curious if these numbers reflect all NTM missionaries, or only those with NTM USA. I was surprised to learn that NTM has technically split into a number of NTM organizations - it makes the legal process of working in different countries much easier. So for my family, had they served today, they would have been recruited and trained by NTM USA, the organization in the US, and then transferred their membership to NTM Bolivia (if I understand it correctly). However, as they were associates, they probably would have just stayed with NTM USA since we were only going for a couple years, not career. I may be misunderstanding it, but 'parents with NTM USA' would not necessarily reflect all parents in all NTM organizations I believe.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:47 pm 
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I think that there are only two NTM MK schools currently considered boarding schools, i.e. they have dorms for older students. I believe these are the schools in PNG and Mexico.

It is very true that the number of NTM MKs currently separated from their parents for schooling has dropped significantly since the '60s-90's era. To me, this is very revealing: today's parents would never tolerate the abandonment of their children that was practically coerced on the missionary parents of decades past. So doesn't that help to prove what a horrible and cruel concept that was?

And yes, it does also appear to be true that there are a number of (hopefully older) MKs overseas currently living with other families in towns and cities where they can attend day school. These situations have even less accountability and supervision than the dorms do, I would think. So there is always the possibility that some MKs are still in unhealthy situations. I truly hope that that is not the case.

And yes, it seems clear that these statistics only cover NTM USA families living overseas.


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