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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 2:55 am 
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After my experience in 2006-8 and in 2013-14, I will not participate in any future investigations, nor will I encourage others to participate. I can't think of any reason to participate in an NTM investigation as they are conducted ever since the Fanda GRACE report.

After hours and hours of grueling testimony with questions you wouldn't have even thought anyone - especially a stranger! - would ask, after guilt over your friends and family receiving investigative emails and phone calls on your behalf, after much discussion and many questions to you from those friends and family -- all of which makes you relive the abuse over and over again - NTM gives you only a report. The report is not a full file of what happened to you, with witness accounts or abuser testimony. It will not bring closure to you. It is a summary report, from an unidentified independent review panel, that says the person did "misconduct" against you.

For this reason, even though I experienced other abuse in PNG, I will not go through with another investigation; and even though I know of much, much, much more abuse on the PNG field, I won't encourage my friends to participate in a NTM investigation unless GRACE is welcomed back, or another solution is presented.

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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 10:49 am 
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Thank you, Lori.


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This is a statement from someone who KNOWS.
And I am saddened by what you found out by going thru with the investigation.
May there be a REAL investigation
That brings justice
And closure.
It may have to be thru the courts. :(


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Dear Lori, I understand exactly why YOU choose not to take part in any further investigations via ntm without the GRACE agency. It is truly sad to hear how victims have been investigated and treated. I remember clearly standing with an adult MK friend of mine who reported an incident of abuse in a past dorm situation. I was irate at the response of ntm to her. And that was the beginning of my departure from ntm after 22 years. My friend, the victim, was treated as if it was all in her head and the abuser was excused for his actions simply because he used to be a massage therapist in the past. So the blame was put on my friend. She had imagined it when his intentions on girls was just from his previous experience as a therapist. Anyone OUTSIDE of ntm who hears this story stands aghast at the reaction of ntm to my friend's statements.

From the time of Fanda reports of abuse, ntm has staunchly stood by the person committing the crimes. Victims are treated insensitively and cruelly. It is all very heartbreaking. So I read your comment to abstain from any investigation and am sad to see that once again ntm has mistreated victims. I am truly sorry Lori for the pain you and others have suffered at their hand. It is outrageous and horrible to hear of continued mistreatment on their part!!!


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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 1:13 pm 
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I meant to say in the above that ntm SAID she had imagined it. She had not.


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NowAware wrote:
Dear Lori, I understand exactly why YOU choose not to take part in any further investigations via ntm without the GRACE agency. It is truly sad to hear how victims have been investigated and treated. I remember clearly standing with an adult MK friend of mine who reported an incident of abuse in a past dorm situation. I was irate at the response of ntm to her. And that was the beginning of my departure from ntm after 22 years. My friend, the victim, was treated as if it was all in her head and the abuser was excused for his actions simply because he used to be a massage therapist in the past. So the blame was put on my friend. She had imagined it when his intentions on girls was just from his previous experience as a therapist. Anyone OUTSIDE of ntm who hears this story stands aghast at the reaction of ntm to my friend's statements.

From the time of Fanda reports of abuse, ntm has staunchly stood by the person committing the crimes. Victims are treated insensitively and cruelly. It is all very heartbreaking. So I read your comment to abstain from any investigation and am sad to see that once again ntm has mistreated victims. I am truly sorry Lori for the pain you and others have suffered at their hand. It is outrageous and horrible to hear of continued mistreatment on their part!!!


Amongst older Tribers and ex older Tribers, I wonder if it is reasonably common to hold the view that much of this "abuse saga" is made up and never happened.
My "former" father holds this view and writes as such in the occasional ranting letters he sends. Knowing him well, he will be pushing this view for all he is worth to anyone he comes into contact with. Yet he seems to have conveniently overlooked the fact that our neighbour was jailed.
Sanford is well aware that he is down here making strange and outrageous claims on their behalf, but alas their hands are tied and they don't want to get involved. Which suits me fine, because his ranting style is probably doing more to discredit NTM than any good he is doing for them and therefore he is NTM's problem, not mine!

Just how widespread is this warped thinking?


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Need I say more, sin has no boundaries


"NEW YORK (AP) — A police officer, a paramedic, a rabbi, a nurse and a Boy Scout leader were among at least 70 people arrested in the New York City area in recent weeks as part of a sweeping investigation into the anonymous trading of child porn over the Internet."


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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 4:23 pm 
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I decided to put the whole thing on and I put one section in Bold.. Hello.. NTMs actions could be put into that paragraph

NEW YORK (AP) — A police officer, a paramedic, a rabbi, a nurse and a Boy Scout leader were among at least 70 people arrested in the New York City area in recent weeks as part of a sweeping investigation into the anonymous trading of child porn over the Internet.


The five were among at least 70 men and one woman charged in a five-week operation by the Homeland Security Investigations arm of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Federal officials, who planned to announce the arrests a news conference later Wednesday, call it one of the largest local roundups ever of people who collect images of children having sex — and a stark reminder that they come from all segments of society.

Consuming child porn "is not something that is just done by unemployed drifters who live in their parent's basement," said James Hayes, of ICE's New York office. "If this operation does anything, it puts the lie to the belief that the people who do this are not productive members of society."

Authorities say an alarming number of the defendants had access to young children, though there were no reports of abuse. The Boy Scout leader also coached a youth baseball team. The rabbi home-schooled his children and others. Another person had hidden cameras used to secretly film his children's friends.

One defendant was already on bail following his arrest last year on charges he used the Internet to direct women to record sex acts with young children. Court papers allege he "indicated the last video he had downloaded and viewed depicted a mother sexually abusing her 3- or 4-year-old child."

Authorities say advances in technology and computer capacity have allowed child-porn collectors to more easily amass vast troves of images and to exchange files with each other directly. The New York effort resulted in the seizure of nearly 600 desktop and laptop computers, tablets, smartphones and other devices containing a total of 175 terabytes of storage.

Agents are still examining the devices to locate and catalog evidence, an arduous task that could result in more arrests. The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children also will use its analysts to review the images to see whether it can identify children using databases of known victims.

[b]"We refer to each of these images as a crime scene photo because that's exactly what they are," said John Ryan, the organization's chief executive officer.[/b]

Authorities decided to launch the operation after the arrest in January of the Mount Pleasant, New York, police chief, Brian Fanelli, who pleaded not guilty this week to federal charges of knowingly receiving and distributing child pornography. Court papers allege that Fanelli told investigators he began looking at child porn as research before it grew into a "personal interest."

In May, agents on computers created a digital dragnet with the same tactics used in the Fanelli case: Agents posed as collectors of child porn who wanted to anonymously trade it through file-sharing programs. Once given access to shared child porn photos and videos, the agents identified the numeric IP addresses of the sources of the material.

The next step as was to subpoena Internet service providers to obtain about 1,000 names associated with the IP addresses. The investigators narrowed the list down to 100 people who were the most active and recent traders, and obtained search and arrest warrants.

The agents who fanned out to do the searches claim they encountered many people who not only offered to show them what was on their computers, but also seemed eager to admit their guilt. One who had downloaded a video gave a written statement saying "he knew what he knew he should not be doing it and he thought no one would know what he was doing," court papers said.

"We had some individuals tell us, 'I know why you're here. I was waiting for this. I knew this would happen someday,'" Hayes said. "That's not something you find from someone who's trafficking cocaine or money-laundering."


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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 4:31 pm 
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SICK.

(And good job, ICE!!)


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It is sick and true. In our discussions about abuse in the Christian environment, many will make comments like, "we are all fallen, of course you will find abuse." This is sometimes said to downplay the situation and diffuse any anger and resentment against the church or missions. They will point to an article like this, that shows abuse happening at every level, to prove their point.

How do you respond to this?


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