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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 5:13 am 
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"Letters of contrition"?

Are you kidding me? Addressed to who? With what content? Certainly nothing anybody should have been fired for. Right NTM?

Voluntary contribution?

Are you kidding me? Don't you already recommend that everybody voluntarily donate to your causes? Nothing new here.

Further, let's only terminate people we can no longer terminate. For the remainder, let's attempt to pacify the masses with useless BS.


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Excellent point, Lori.

Thanks.


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Wait a minute Lori, IHARTS findings were



Frank Parker (sexual, physical & emotional abuse) – deceased
Steve Armour (sexual & emotional abuse) – dismissed
Roger Bailey III [sexual abuse (voyeurism)] – ineligible for future NTM service
Dawn Canright (sexual & emotional abuse) – dismissed
Jerry Wnuk (physical & emotional abuse) – dismissed
Bucky Nageli (emotional abuse) – not dismissed (actions not dismissible offense)


It was changed after it was given to NTM. IHART never changed their view.


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dbarney, Lori is quoting from the NTM document. Not from an IHART document.

Most New Tribers have seen ONLY the members-only document that was posted on their members-only website.

Most of them have NOT seen the document from IHART, which uses the word "abuse", not "misconduct". If they don't read Fanda Eagles, they wouldn't even know about the IHART reports that have been posted here.

I think her point is that because the NTM Executive Board chose to use the word "misconduct" to cover everything from poor judgment, to hot tempers, to sexual molestation, it leaves most New Tribers confused about who did what.

And it puts people who were guilty of lesser crimes in the same boat as those who committed horrible ones.


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Doesn't that just burn you up??? The nerve


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Tribers are being treated as idiots by their leaders. And unless Mr and Mrs Average Triber gets off their asses and demands an end to being treated this way, they always will be.

Wake up Tribers, you are being set up by your leaders and when it all falls apart, they will be gone with whatever assets they've managed to get their greedy hands on and you will be left wondering what hit you, back on the street having to find a real job. They did it to the Kiwi missionaries in PNG, they will do it to you next!!!!!!!


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To make them seem less guilty of being a refuge for individuals who commit heinous crimes?

I realize that "heinous crimes" is usually used to describe scenes of cannibalism, 40 stabs with a knife, etc . . .

But what I feel is lacking in the NTM response, is the situational understanding--consider how this changes things:

1). The children who were abused in boarding schools were prisoners. They were not allowed to leave. The land off base was portrayed and sometimes was, a very dangerous place. Some children did not know the local language. We did not have money of our own. Altogether our girl's dorm had probably 15.00 max at any time, put all together. The dorm parents or office held any real money sent up from parents.

2). The abusers were always there with you. We ate breakfast together, walked back to the dorm together to brush our teeth. We then went to school, where these same abusers also taught . . .then ate lunch with them, then the same for the rest of the day and all weekend.

3). The smallest gesture or click of the tongue could be used to reprimand--we were hyper-aware of the control. All day long. It does not take much to terrorize. . .when in this setting.

4). There were no guidance counselors. No nurse that was not married to a member of the community. No local pastor. There was enough movement with furloughs, that someone you might have trusted, would probably be gone when you really needed them, or were finally getting up the nerve to talk.

5). Rebellion was the ultimate sin. No, not just the sin that we all talk about in our personal lives. . .this was the start of confrontations that induced the leaders to show tears in their eyes, strumming the Bible, praying earnestly, very solemnly, about the wages of sin is death, be sure your sin will find you out, Jesus wants you as His child, without reproach.

6). We would do anything to avoid these confrontations. They were physically painful --stabbing. (Because feelings were not validated or valued, any "feelings" turned into physical pain.) These talks were meant to induce big, gulping tears of confession and brokenness. It usually worked.

7). Sex was the forbidden topic. There were no words that were ok to say, that described body parts, or body sensations. Anything that came close to being sexual was very very threatening. As our purity was the litmus test of spirituality, there was no middle ground.

8). If boarding school seemed unbearable . . .there were no options that had not already been declared to be "out of God's will."



Does this change the perspective?


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