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Geem Sherpa, you are rare today,,,, great stuff LOL

if you do sue yourself, sherpa, i recommend doing so pro se so that an attorney doesn't take a cut of your recovery.

Thank you OT for the good laugh, now I can sleep peacefully

Once again, Sherpa Dude proves that Vintage 1954 is a rare treat. And, Sir Ornery of Thornery has proved that his education was not a total waste. Timely reminders!

We'll want to be careful to remember that the subject of this thread, although it lends itself to humor, is not about money. It is not about justice. It is not about assigning blame. It is about a CHOICE - a choice regarding ways to investigate the widespread and pervasive scourge of sexual (and other) abuse of children in NTO.

We already know a great deal. And, as Sherpa Dude has pointed out, it is quite ludicrous to consider suing most of the people involved; there would be nothing to gain.

But, we all also know that there is a lot that we do not know. How will we ever uncover it? We know that we can wait for NTO to agree to an investigation. Or, an investigation can be imposed on them. Both choices have advantages and drawbacks. There will never be agreement among us as to how to weigh the pros and cons. In fact, it's doubtful that we'd all even agree on what constitutes a pro versus a con! I think most of us, however, are agreed that an investigation needs to happen.

But, the choice is there; choice, in fact, is inescapable. Even choosing to do nothing is making a choice of sorts. Let's be careful to support one another. We can respect those who have strong feelings against any kind of legal action without trying to change their minds for them. We can stand by those who make the difficult choice to impose, by legal means, an investigation on NTO without deprecating their motivation. Working together, even if it means taking different paths, is going to make a difference.

And, let me remind you, they have legal counsel.....they've had it all along.

Thanks Sherpa,,, those are good words and thoughts.

Encouraging

I really don't see the humor in many things I read here, but Ornery that is great.

Yes! Yoko Ono should be sued for so many things.

Sherpa made a point which I have known for years. In the US we do not really have a justice system, but instead we have a legal system. Justice and legal, as he so clearly points out, are not the same things. They can actually be diametricly opposed to each other. He is also correct when he points out that lawyers and judges may not have our best interests at heart.

I watch a show called Fairly Legal on Hulu.com. The episode Bridges clearly states what Sherpa Dude has said.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/226364/fairly-legal-bridges#s-p1-so-i0

The show is about using mediation in resolving conflicts rather than taking everything to court. There is a movement around Restorative Justice world wide which focuses on the criminal hearing the victim. It is more involved than that so check it out.

The problem arises when one party does not come to the table willing to do what is necessary to achieve justice. RJ is also not necessarily a good choice for working with sexual abusers, but it would be a useful approach to connect NTO with their victims. Again, all parties have to come to the table willing to do whatever is necessary to create justice.

Personally, at this moment, I do not see NTO willing to do that. Justice is always better than a legal solution. When justice is not being offered openly and without reservation, the legal system may be all that is available.

Take a moment and look into restorative justice and its off shoots. RJ has a website and other sites can be found via wikipedia.