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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:56 pm 
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PTL the discussion has come to a more healthy place.
Not to say that everyone can't still voice their opinions and give their data.
That is necessary!
One suggestion to Pagod is that children don't always see adults in the totality of their character.
Ours could not have.
It took us as adults a long time to begin seeing irregularities on our field.
The people were so nice!
But when we began to ask questions (even respectfully) we were ignored.
No dialogue was allowed.
And the FC went on their merry way.
And terrible things were allowed to happen.
Now we are learning that it was going on WAY before our era.
So, OT, Brazil is probably no different, if you do your research.
And we hate that thought.
So have to agree with OT that this has to be uncovered.


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[quote="Pagod"][quote="tow mater--avg. intelligence"]

#3 Perhaps naively, I still believe NTM can be an instrument of Christ. I believe they want to do the right thing and will. I hope I am not mistaken and will do what I can to find out directly.

Many of us do not believe NTM wants to do the right thing.
If so, why haven't they done it???
Why didn't they do it in 1983 when that mother (of Courageous?) went to the Via Board?
Why did they teach us all what the Bible says and then refuse to do it themselves?
Why are they still abusing adult miss on several fields? VERY recently.
And then telling new recruits that NTM has now changed?
Why are they shedding tears and yet refusing to answer those who write to them with relevant questions or testimonies?
It appears to be Super Collusion and fear of losing their jobs.
As has been asked before: "Where are the men in NTM?"
Where are the godly men?


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Pagod - as you read through the GRACE report and as you interact with others on this forum, please know that most of us, if not all of us, had numerous times of getting our hopes up that NTM was making positive changes. For some of us, it has been years of seeing some sort of NTM movement, getting our hopes up, and then seeing no real change happen. NTM is notorious for making strong declarations of change.

Read the documentation on this blog- not the forums and you will see 20+ years of what appeared to be positive change. Documentation from 1997 where NTM declared Change. Scurried to do some investigating. Wrote some letters. Then silence.

If you are just starting the process of evaluating NTM of course you are hopeful. It may take you years to find out how empty NTM words are when they are cushioned in spirituality and you find out there is no substance. NTM is impotent to make real change.

And while you’re evaluating, don’t be ignorant of why NTM did not use GRACE for further investigations. No one in NTM will give the real answer. GRACE earned the respect of victims. I know multiple people who met with members of the GRACE team. GRACE uncovered the stench of sin in the camp.

Hope deferred makes the heart sick! I am sick of NTM. They should cease to exist.


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In talking to one of the parents of an abused mk they said they just found it so hard to believe that so and so did the things he did because he seemed like such a nice person, a really good guy. I don't know how it's all going to end like after the investigations are all done but I continue to pray and have hope in God. I try to speak a word when the opportunity arises. In talking with my pastor he was saying in the church it was the same thing 20 or 30 years ago people did just not talk about sexual abuse and they were not trained to even know how to deal with it or detect the problems associated with it. I think progress has been made I do think things are better today than they were 30 years ago but we still have a way to go. You may not agree with that assessment that's OK. I am disappointed that NTM has decided to try and have the lawsuits dismissed instead of trying to come to an agreement and offer compensation etc. Oh well for now my husband and I are staying with NTM but that may change in the future we'll have to see how things develop.


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Tuti - my comments about NTM are not meant to cause you pain personally. You are refreshing! You are brave. You are one pursuing integrity. You will have wisdom and if, and when, the day comes that you choose to leave NTM, doors will open when you knock (research other missions, etc.). I've heard of several who have left NTM in the past few months who have landed in other missions. Scary and rewarding all at the same time for them.

Meanwhile, your voice on these forums is so WELCOMED! Grateful for you.


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The pedophiles and incesters I have known in NTM (and God help us, I have known far too many) all came across as super-spiritual saints who had it all together. The "fruit inspectors" who now pray for our destruction would have happily passed each of these men with flying colors. The had their devotions piously, shared in chapel, sang the Songs of Challenge and wrote stirring prayer letters. They all "had a ministry" that was applauded by NTM and no one around them questioned whether they were "walking with the Lord".

Yet behind closed doors, in the darkness, they were demonically evil monsters who had convinced themselves that the bodies of small children were expendable commodities to be devoured for their own momentary pleasure.

My circle of acquaintances is now peopled with deeply wounded adults who were victims of those impressive men of NTM. These adults function at varying degrees of stability mentally, emotionally, spiritually and physically. Some, by God's grace, appear to be doing quite well, considering the destructive horrors they endured. Others carry scars so deep that I can see pain reflected in their eyes, face and body. Haunted by memories they cannot escape, some are so affected they are mentally unstable or ill. Some are wracked by physical maladies that cannot seem to be cured. Some spend much of their time longing for death as the only way to escape their mental and physical torture. Many have made attempts to cross over to dreamless death, but God, for his own reasons, has kept them here to endure further agony. Some He has allowed to come home to Him, where they are finally free from the damage wreaked by their "walking with the Lord" perpetrator who never expressed true remorse or sincerely begged forgiveness.

My heart is broken in little pieces. Sometimes I feel I will never be whole again. This pain has crushed me.

And I am angry. So very angry at the sanctimonious Tribers who have the gall to dismiss everything we have to say, every plea we have made. Their mission is more important than their children. Their image matters more than the souls of the wounded MKs from every decade since the mission began. Their financial security takes priority over the truth.

Someday ... someday the Almighty God will call you before His judgment to ask you how you could care so much about the salvation of tribal people and so little about the redemption and restoration of the collateral damage of your organization -- your own wounded children, the most precious gift He ever entrusted to your care.

And my tears fall once again. Sackcloth and ashes. I repent.


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Beautiful and terrible.
To express truth is beauty.
But this truth is grotesque.
Even so, we refuse to run away from it.
Arms around you, all you wounded ones.
Is there one in our family we don't know about? In yours?
How can we get light and love/ fresh air and the songs of birds into their souls again?

You triber "leaders," how can you stand to read this?
You can't do anything about this that is right and God-honoring?
Why not?
What is holding you back?
Who is holding you back?
Why do we even bother to address you when all you respond with is nothing?
We are not to follow you blindly, but we ARE to "consider the outcome of your faith."
You have failed us and our children.
What does that feel like?

Your long history with the org., Raz, allows you to validate the wounded ones.
It's an agonizing place to be.
Wish you didn't have to be that for us.
But we need you.
Arms around you, beautiful one.
Stay with the truth.

"May He give you the desire of your heart
And make all your plans succeed.
We will shout for joy when you are victorious
And will lift up our banners in the Name of our God.
May the Lord grant all your requests."

I'm already stockpiling glitter for my banner.
It will shine like the stars in the universe.
It will shine from sea to sea....
...for all the wounded, now set free.


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Love YOU!!!


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