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Well, you are definitely moving forward.

With boots on!!!

There were so many quotes I would like to post from that article.
TOO many!
It's the most disgusting thing I have read since the GRACE Report.

The disgusting sermon illustration Jack Schaap acted out can be viewed on you tube.

It is so disturbing I don't even want to post a link on here.

But you can find it if you look. Just go to You Tube and look for Jack Schaap Polished Shaft.

I am relieved to know this vile wolf in sheep's clothing is now in jail.

That's where all of them belong.

So how did the wolf get into the sheeps clothing? Lets throw a Bemused theory into the ring and see what we come up with.

My guess is that said pastor was not a wolf originally, probably more an ambitious sheep. The ambition was for power and that took over, so that lines were crossed and he kept going. So where was God in all this, simple He became irrelevant, because the pastor had in his own mind become his own "god".

So the parrallels are what with mission organisations? To be a missionary and give up a "comfortable" western life, requires some ambition. Enter a training programme that tells you over and over that you are one of the "select few", that you have power to do wonderous things and that women must be subservient to you and bingo its a breeding ground for some to go over the line in their ambition for power. And the more ambitious and devout to the cause you are, the better the convincing show one can put on, the more respect one gets (and probably more donations). So it becomes a vicious cycle and some men get hooked or cannot stop themselves and the mess we see today evolves. All done of course with dollops of pious humility, just to enhance the effect.

Actually, yes, Bemused.
I was going to comment that power corrupts.
It has been said before, also.
But always worth a reminder.
And no accountability on top of that!
Disaster.....
Raz, I couldn't be persuaded to look.
I am looking to my Lord for a GREAT 2013 with new revelations that show the truth to the world.
In this situation we are all involved in.
And concentrating on truth helps stomach the horrible reports.
You just can't stop asking WHY?
I know. I know. We'll never fully figure it out.
But no one who went thru these things has to feel alone or be alone in it now!

You both are so right. Jack Schapp is the son in law of the late Jack Hyles (who has a history of his own). Schapp will be sentenced on 15 January, my son says he is getting 10 years because he pleaded guilty. He could get life and fined $250,000. His crime, you know, was not his sordid act with the girl as she was "of age" but because the secretary took the girl over 2 different state lines for the purpose of sex. I ask myself, "will the secretary be charged?" Don't watch the sermon of polishing the shaft after a meal as it is revolting. That is not his first "revolting" sermon as one was a lecture to parents what their teenage children were up to. He claimed he knew because they came to him for counsel. What a joke! A lot of this man's sermons and books were on sex, now we know why. The church and school are hurting and have put off staff. I know a wonderful family who just sent their beautiful daughter to this school, I am so upset about it. Oh, they also stopped the woman's magazine, which has been printed for years, in which Cindy Scapp edited. I think I mentioned once that my husband went to the pastor's school there many years ago and came back and said never would he go back to that church. I am surprised he stayed the duration of the school he was so offended. A little research will tell you all about David Hyles, son of Jack Hyles, who was the "Pope" of the church and school. Jack Hyles said in a sermon once if he told his deacons to become....................they would do it. My husband's comment to that was what does he do with the Scriptures which tell us to be "Berean Christians." Well I've prattled on enough about this issue. Full stop.

Posted by GRACE, written by Jim Palmer, a survivor. I think this is SO powerful!

God is not a belief-system.
Jesus is not a religion.
Christianity is not a check-list.
Church is not an address.
The Bible is not a book of doctrines.
Community is not a meeting.
Grace has no exceptions.
Ministry is not a program.
Art is not carnal.
Women are not inferior.
Our humanity is not the enemy.
Sinner is not our identity.
Love is not a theory.
Peace is not a circumstance.
Science is not secular.
Sex is not filthy.
Life is not a warm-up for Heaven
The world is not without hope.
There is no "us" and "them."
Tattoos are not evil.
Loving the earth is not satanic.
Seeing the divine in all things is not heretical.
Self-actualization is not self-worship.
Feelings are not dangerous and unreliable.
The mind is not infallible.