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 Post subject: Re: NTM Arrests
PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:15 pm 
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Any chance that we can see the website that is showing Scott as "serving the Lord"?

How many times have we seen something exposed here and overnight the Correction Fairy sprinkles some magical dust and . . .


Personally I think we should never forget this case. We must do what we can to make sure history never repeats, because NTM will fail to do so. We reached out to those who could catch him and catch him they did.

Imagine if Scott had got to the childrens camp he was going to. Imagine if he had carried on abusing children there, he had videoed himself raping a child, this was a very sick pervert.

And what about those images, they are probably on other mens computers now, that is how child porn makers work.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:07 pm 
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I agree.

We must never forget this case.

NTM is hoping everyone will forget. So ... we will NOT.

My memory is long and I can be very tenacious.

**Lioness roar**


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:08 pm 
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My mom called me "Bulldog."
I'll see what I can do about the website.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 12:03 pm 
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Bemused wrote:
Scott is in jail and will be there probably for life, does anyone care?



No! Am I supposed to?

He got what he deserved! Just because he was an MK, doesn't mean I have to care about him! He was pure evil and now he is paying for it! He lied in the worst possible way to people he was being paid to serve!

How many other Scott Kennells are in NTM and haven't been caught yet, that is what I care about!


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 1:44 pm 
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Yes, agreed.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:34 am 
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Deja do wrote:
Bemused wrote:
Scott is in jail and will be there probably for life, does anyone care?



No! Am I supposed to?

He got what he deserved! Just because he was an MK, doesn't mean I have to care about him! He was pure evil and now he is paying for it! He lied in the worst possible way to people he was being paid to serve!

How many other Scott Kennells are in NTM and haven't been caught yet, that is what I care about!


We don't know and that is what scares me. This was never supposed to happen because we were reassured that procedures had been put in place to prevent it. Yet it did and my biggest fear is he won't be the last because the procedures haven't worked and they never will until they are backed up with action so tough that paedophiles leave NTM because they are terrified what will be done to them.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:03 pm 
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I am very disturbed by what I read this morning! It was a piece written by a career NTM missionary about the suicide of their daughter in law and son. They say they shared with them that God loved them but the deceased didn't accept that God loved them so much that He would take care of the terrible traumas they had had in their life!
But it doesn't say they told the deceased that they loved them or cared for them or they listened to them or got help for them!
I don't know what the trauma was, but being with NTM it may well have been horrific abuse!
And then all the comments are gut wrenching, because they seem to be thinking the same way!

Or maybe I've just got it all wrong?

But I don't think so!

(I don't want to put the article up on here, but it is easy to find or send a PM.)


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:15 pm 
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I think one of the tragic consequences of the arrogant thinking of fundamentalism of all sort is that it leads people into believing they get to play god. Fundamentalists are so confident that they have all the answers and that their way is the only way, that they conclude that this gives them the right to be jury, judge ... and in some cases executioner.

I am speaking in broad terms now. Fundamentalists (and fanatics) of various religions and persuasions are incredibly confident that they are right, and they get to decide who else is wrong.

To apply this to the NTM parents you are referring to: New Tribers are so sure that they know exactly how God thinks and acts, that if they decide their own child has "rejected" Christ, then Christ has also rejected their child, and that child will spend eternity in fiery punishment.

I now feel it is very arrogant for us puny humans to assume that we can be the ones to put people in one category or another. The ins, and the outs. The ones who matter, and the ones who don't.

This case sounds terribly sad. I believe we all know of at least one MK who has ended their life in deep despair. I think it would be more productive and healing to understand why, than to decide where their souls are spending eternity .... I will let God be the judge of that. And my belief is that His love is immense and he does not stop loving us just because we give up on ourselves. His mind is infinitely bigger than my small one. And his heart is deeper and wider than all the oceans and all the eons of time.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 6:39 pm 
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Deja do wrote:
I am very disturbed by what I read this morning! It was a piece written by a career NTM missionary about the suicide of their daughter in law and son. They say they shared with them that God loved them but the deceased didn't accept that God loved them so much that He would take care of the terrible traumas they had had in their life!
But it doesn't say they told the deceased that they loved them or cared for them or they listened to them or got help for them!
I don't know what the trauma was, but being with NTM it may well have been horrific abuse!
And then all the comments are gut wrenching, because they seem to be thinking the same way!

Or maybe I've just got it all wrong?

But I don't think so!

(I don't want to put the article up on here, but it is easy to find or send a PM.)


Thanks for sending that through, it is indeed a disturbing insight into a way of thinking that Raz rightly suggests is of a fanatical/fundamentalist bent. It's the lack of compassion that gets me, but this is the way my parents think. As my father said in our last conversation some years ago when I told him about the arrest of our neighbour for sexual abuse "it is no concern of mine". If a victim committed suicide, he probably answered the same way, but clothed it in expressions of them "not walking with the Lord".


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To apply this to the NTM parents you are referring to: New Tribers are so sure that they know exactly how God thinks and acts, that if they decide their own child has "rejected" Christ, then Christ has also rejected their child, and that child will spend eternity in fiery punishment.

I now feel it is very arrogant for us puny humans to assume that we can be the ones to put people in one category or another. The ins, and the outs. The ones who matter, and the ones who don't.


I don't think there is any point in trying to reason with this type of thinking, it as you so rightly say "very arrogant", but when someone believes that they are of the few who are right and are terrified to contemplate that there are other paths to happiness, salvation, eutopia or whatever, this becomes the consequence.


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 Post subject: Re: NTM Arrests
PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 7:54 pm 
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That's a very hard and very sad situation for any parents.
As they said---they will never be able to know all the answers.
If their faith holds encouragement or hope for them--I do not deny them that.
If they want to share where they are in their journey of healing, then good.
It's a personal matter. It's their story if they want to share it.


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