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 Post subject: Re: Panama report
PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:52 pm 
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Raz wrote:
To read the Panama Historical Investigation Summary Report now available to the public, click on this link:

http://www.ihart.care/panama-summary-report.html


If you haven't read the Panama report, here is the link to the report in full.

Time does not allow me to make an in-depth response at this moment, but for now, my reaction is, this is an artistically, professionally swirled and curled job of whitewashing, painted in bold, broad strokes.

The whitewash looks impressive at first glance. But what is it hiding?

Matthew 23: 27: "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean."


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:55 pm 
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Well, for starters, it's hiding the names of the abusers, which pretty much makes it a less than useless song and dance, and an utter waste of time for everyone involved.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:02 pm 
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Tambo MK wrote:
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I was surprised to learn that NTM has technically split into a number of NTM organizations - it makes the legal process of working in different countries much easier. So for my family, had they served today, they would have been recruited and trained by NTM USA, the organization in the US, and then transferred their membership to NTM Bolivia (if I understand it correctly). However, as they were associates, they probably would have just stayed with NTM USA since we were only going for a couple years, not career. I may be misunderstanding it, but 'parents with NTM USA' would not necessarily reflect all parents in all NTM organizations I believe.

It's my understanding that your family would still be members of NTM-USA and also of NTM-Bolivia (or whatever the legal entity there is called).

As I said on FB, "When we all know the real reason was to isolate NTM-USA (who has the most $$$ at stake) from the other overseas organization so that they could (and have) claimed that they were not responsible for the things that happened overseas. Even though we all know that they were and still are truly in control of the worldwide NTM enterprise."


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:24 pm 
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SO hard to read this even tho it was expected.
Thank you all for posting even tho it hurts to remember.
Your words are listened to and believed here even tho some days that doesn't help.
I wish I could help all the "even tho's" to go away!


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:38 pm 
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Lafula, you asked: I was told the investigation was completely independent of NTM when I interviewed, but it sounds like IHART is very much connected to NTM now. Does anyone know the real nature of the relationship?"

I've been writing about Scott Ross and CSPN since 2008, and more recently Theresa Sidebotham. Sidebotham authored an article L. Martin Nussbaum titled "Are Protestant Ministries a New Market? Lessons Learned from the Catholic Sexual Abuse Scandal". (Nussbaum is one of the foremost attorneys hired by Catholic dioceses in Colorado when allegations of sexual abuse are brought against them; he's also been used by the Christian and Missionary Alliance). In the article that L. Martin Nussbaum and Theresa Lynn Dixon Sidebotham authored, they had 10 criticisms of GRACE's report into Fanda, including:

2. The report, discussing numerous sensitive personnel issues and naming specific employees, was released simultaneously to the board and the general public. A board should receive such a report confidentially and then decide whether the values in play are best served by public announcements.
Sideobtham and Nussbaum obviously thought NTM should have withheld any information from that didn't serve the "values" of NTM.

IHART is very closely connected with NTM - I don't think it has ever been an arm's length relationship.

I can post some old documents if you'd like..... most are on this Forum so it may not be necessary.

I'm sorry for the additional trauma that Sidebotham's report causes. You all deserve so much more.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:48 pm 
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JerryB wrote:
Tambo MK wrote:
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I was surprised to learn that NTM has technically split into a number of NTM organizations - it makes the legal process of working in different countries much easier. So for my family, had they served today, they would have been recruited and trained by NTM USA, the organization in the US, and then transferred their membership to NTM Bolivia (if I understand it correctly). However, as they were associates, they probably would have just stayed with NTM USA since we were only going for a couple years, not career. I may be misunderstanding it, but 'parents with NTM USA' would not necessarily reflect all parents in all NTM organizations I believe.

It's my understanding that your family would still be members of NTM-USA and also of NTM-Bolivia (or whatever the legal entity there is called).

As I said on FB, "When we all know the real reason was to isolate NTM-USA (who has the most $$$ at stake) from the other overseas organization so that they could (and have) claimed that they were not responsible for the things that happened overseas. Even though we all know that they were and still are truly in control of the worldwide NTM enterprise."


The NTM reps in charge of dealing with the abuse allegations told me that missionaries transfer from one organization to another, and that consequently, they technically can't do anything about people that are now in other NTM fields and no longer NTM USA. However, they do have influence in that the different fields depend on NTM USA for a significant number of their missionary recruits, so while they don't have to cooperate there is some pressure to work with NTM USA to some degree because so many missionaries come to them through NTM USA. The way he made it sound came across as people are not members of multiple NTM organizations.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:28 pm 
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If that is what a rep told you, then that sounds like a crazy shuffle dance to avoid giving consequences to anyone. If you look on the NTM USA website, you will see many, many people on there who are currently working in various countries or areas of the world. But they are still listed on that website as being NTM USA members. So if that rep told you differently, I honestly think they were being misleading.

It was my impression that the people who are not accountable to NTM USA are missionaries like Germans, who are under NTM Germany, Brits, under NTM UK, Aussies, under Crossview, etc. But if you are a US citizen, and you are serving in another country like the Philippines, you are still a member of NTM USA, and are still under the oversight of the NTM USA Executive Board.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:33 pm 
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This nonsense has been going on for some time now. I have an e-mail from Crossview Australia strongly denying their link with NTM. Yet on their website one of their members is the govt rep in PNG. It's just more smoke, mirrors and lies.


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 Post subject: Re: Panama report
PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 7:48 am 
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After reading the Panama Report I can state it much more briefly than they ... "We investigated the allegations and found them to be true. We decided nothing could or should be done further. We are sorry. We are moving on."

It took them 48 pages to say nothing new or substantive.

And whose brilliant idea was it to sprinkle pictures of the crime scene (EHM) throughout the report? Flashbacks, anyone? Maybe whoever does their monthly prayer letters was in charge of creating the format. :shock:


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:32 am 
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We welcome you
We're glad you're back
While you were away
We continued down the track

We welcome you
And you're insightful pen
Then we all sighed heavily
Here we go again :D


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