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 Post subject: Re: Investigation
PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 8:02 pm 
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Raz wrote:
Paul, my point of view is that JerryB summed it up well, when he said:

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He was just doing his job as legal counsel for NTM, and doing it all too well.


As legal counsel for NTM, it is indeed Scott's job to give NTM advice which will protect them. This includes protecting them financially, protecting their reputation, protecting them from potential legal troubles, and insuring the survival of the organization (in its present form or in some future form yet to be revealed).

As such, I believe he has done his job to the best of his abilities, and I can't fault him for that.

I just think it is important to keep in mind what his job title is. I would in no way characterize him as an ally of abused MKs. His work behind the scenes is also for the good of the mission. As far as constraints, the constraints I have encountered, I believe have actually been erected by the legal counsel giving directives to those in NTM who are working on the MK abuse issue. This includes directives for people not to tell us things in writing, such as e-mails, but to only have phone conversations with us. It is when attorneys started controlling people's actions, statements and opinion that the NTM I spent most of my life in morphed into something I no longer recognize.

But Scott Ross is just doing his job. And doing it well.

As JerryB said, "All too well."

If I were in legal trouble, especially if I were guilty, I'd sure like to have Scott Ross on my team.

In case there is anyone out there who hasn't figured this out yet, here is a little trick that defense attorneys use all the time: They drag things out as long as they can, hoping the victims will give up and that their supporters will lose interest.

Yep. "All too well," indeed!


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 5:10 pm 
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I hope you won't mind, threewillows, that I am copying this statement from Pii here in the Panama section, as this is specifically about the investigation into abuse in Panama.

threewillows wrote:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

RE: UPDATE ON THE COMPLETED PANAMA INVESTIGATION FOR NEW TRIBES MISSION

December 15, 2014

On the third anniversary date of the Panama investigation, an update to concerned parties is in order. Additionally, recent blog posts contain erroneous information which the Pii team believes must be corrected. The Panama Investigation began on December 15, 2011, and was completed on July 29, 2014.

With the completion of the investigation, this anniversary, and blog posts in error, Pii would like to update all of those who have participated in, or are interested in, the independent and thorough investigation into abuse at the Panama school, Escuela Hogar Misionero. This update is to acknowledge the trust these individuals have developed with Pii through the investigative process. Their testimonies and insights have brought elements of transparency and clarity, which would not have been possible if the work had been truncated at any time. Pii has been both determined and diligent in its investigative processes.

The document collection process, which included collecting, collating, binding, creating detailed indexes and researching those documents for the Panama report resulted in four volumes totaling 1,678 pages. Interviews of potential victim/survivors, collateral witnesses, and leadership resulted in 475 hours of interviews and thousands of pages of investigative documents; 261 people were interviewed, declined or were deceased of an interview pool of 488. The Standard Deviation is 95%, plus or minus 5%, for a 90-100% Level of Confidence in the report findings. The intricate report-writing phase is a process that intertwined these statements and documents, which were then weighted against the Preponderance of Evidence standard. When the report-writing phase was completed, there were several lengthy individual reports and the Master Report, totaling 1,075 pages. This process was driven by the responsibility to show respect to all who have taken part in the investigation.

All of these materials, documents collected, recordings of interviews conducted, transcripts of interviews, work product and reports in various formats (coded and otherwise) were forwarded to IHART c/o Ms. Theresa Sidebotham. Pii had previously been instructed to send these highly confidential materials in a sealed format to Gammon & Grange, P.C. Pii was re-directed to send these materials to IHART, c/o Ms. Theresa Sidebotham, at her instruction, perhaps to be forwarded to Gammon & Grange, P.C. This is unknown to Pii. There are statements on the fandaeagles.com blog site, attributed to Ms. Sidebotham, stating that these raw documents are actually not in her possession, nor in the possession of NTM. Considering that timing might, herein, be the issue, Pii is clarifying the details of the matter as known to Pii.

To NTM, victim/survivors, family and friends, the investigative process is demanding and exacting. Each investigative decision was made expediently and consistently with the intent of reaching the investigation’s conclusion in an opportune manner. To all of those who have participated in this investigation in any way, your patience and perseverance is applauded and your cooperation is deeply appreciated. Pii is humbled and grateful to have been chosen to conduct this complicated, sensitive, and detailed work. Pii is also committed to assist NTM and all participants in whatever delicate tasks remain ahead.

We wish you joy and rejoicing in this Season of Healing. Merry Christmas!

Professional Investigators International


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:04 pm 
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"The document collection process, which included collecting, collating, binding, creating detailed indexes and researching those documents for the Panama report resulted in four volumes totaling 1,678 pages. Interviews of potential victim/survivors, collateral witnesses, and leadership resulted in 475 hours of interviews and thousands of pages of investigative documents; 261 people were interviewed, declined or were deceased of an interview pool of 488. The Standard Deviation is 95%, plus or minus 5%, for a 90-100% Level of Confidence in the report findings. The intricate report-writing phase is a process that intertwined these statements and documents, which were then weighted against the Preponderance of Evidence standard. When the report-writing phase was completed, there were several lengthy individual reports and the Master Report, totaling 1,075 pages. This process was driven by the responsibility to show respect to all who have taken part in the investigation."

261 people were interviewed, declined or were deceased of an interview pool of 488.

Am I the only one who doesn't understand this? Are there some words missing or something? Because as it stands, I can't tell how many people were actually interviewed, compared with how many declined or were deceased.

I hope we can get some clarification on this.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:58 am 
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It didn't make sense to me either


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:38 pm 
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As we try to piece together developments over the past several months, and how the posts of the past few days relate to it all, I thought it might be helpful to construct a sort of timeline for the Panama investigation, as I understand it. No doubt there have been many things going on behind the scenes that few of us know about. But here are some things I think I do know:

Dec. 15, 2011 - The investigation into MK abuse in NTM-Panama began. IHART, under the direction of Pat Hendrix, contracted with Professional Investigators International ( http://www.teampii.com/ ) to conduct this investigation. (Other investigations in E Brazil and Bolivia have been/are being conducted by other groups of investigators.)

May 28, 2014 - Pat Hendrix announced, "The Panama investigation is completed and the final report has been written and sent to IHART by the Panama investigative team. The report will be presented to the board at the next meeting in July. The report will be sent to them in July. The Recommendations Panel is being formed and will meet sometime after the board meeting."

July 21 or 22, 2014 - Panama MKs sent a letter to the NTM Executive Board, clearly expressing the way they would like to see the investigation concluded. (See threewillows' July 22 post in this thread.)

July 29, 2014 - According to the recent statement from Pii posted here a couple of days ago, this is the date on which Pii completed their part of the investigation. Pii also says that they were instructed to send all of their "highly confidential materials materials", "documents collected, recordings of interviews conducted, transcripts of interviews, work product and reports in various formats (coded and otherwise) ... in a sealed format to Gammon & Grange, P.C.." Presumably they would have done this sometime around the conclusion of their investigation?

Sept. 5, 2014 - The Panama MKs received a response from the NTM EB, inviting them to come to Sanford for a meeting.

Sept. 30, 2014 - A Recommendations Panel formed by Pat Hendrix met to go over the report from Pii, which the NTM EB had already received in July. (We now know, from Pii's recent statement, that that report is 1,075 pages long.) Presumably, the Recommendations Panel then submitted recommendations to the EB, just as the panel for the Vianopolis investigation did.

Nov. 1-2, 2014 - A group of Panama MKs met in Sanford, FL with NTM leaders.

Nov. 6, 2014 - NTM sent out an announcement that Pat Hendrix would no longer be the coordinator of IHART, and that she was being replaced by Theresa Sidebotham.

Pii's statement reads, "All of these materials, documents collected, recordings of interviews conducted, transcripts of interviews, work product and reports in various formats (coded and otherwise) were forwarded to IHART c/o Ms. Theresa Sidebotham. Pii had previously been instructed to send these highly confidential materials in a sealed format to Gammon & Grange, P.C. Pii was re-directed to send these materials to IHART, c/o Ms. Theresa Sidebotham, at her instruction, perhaps to be forwarded to Gammon & Grange, P.C. This is unknown to Pii. There are statements on the fandaeagles.com blog site, attributed to Ms. Sidebotham, stating that these raw documents are actually not in her possession, nor in the possession of NTM. Considering that timing might, herein, be the issue, Pii is clarifying the details of the matter as known to Pii."

Pii was "re-directed" to send the materials to Theresa Sidebotham. Were the materials not already sent to Gammon & Grange at the conclusion of Pii's investigation, in July? Or just when did this "re-direction" take place? Was it back in July? Was Theresa already being moved into position even then, to take over IHART?

This is all very intriguing. Additions or corrections to the above timeline are welcome.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:40 pm 
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Raz, this is a very helpful timeline. I suspect some other as yet undisclosed critical dates / events will surface.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 11:15 am 
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From the IHART website. (Underlining added.)

http://www.ihart.care/progress.html

"Pii finished the initial part of the Panama investigation in July of 2014. The Recommendations Panel then met in October. That Panel finalized recommended outcomes for the portion of the investigation that was presented to them but unfortunately the leadership culpability portion of the Panama investigation had not yet been done.

The following month, IHART transitioned to the new IHART Coordinator, Ms. Sidebotham. She is in the process of coordinating the leadership culpability stage of the Panama investigation and also will be coordinating Statements of Findings and a Summary Report for that investigation."


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 11:17 am 
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On the subject of leadership culpability, here is a quote worth considering:

"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it."

Martin Luther King, Jr.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:48 am 
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That's an excellent point, Raz. However, I seriously doubt they will see it that way.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 12:11 pm 
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Raz wrote:
On the subject of leadership culpability, here is a quote worth considering:

"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it."

Martin Luther King, Jr.


Therefore the converse of these wise words would be "They who actively fight evil are absolved of the evil of those who perpetrate it. They who protest against evil, bring to shame those who cooperate with it".


Which would beg the question why any moral "average" and/or "normal" citizen would choose the former. For that I am puzzled.


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