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 Post subject: Re: Venezuela
PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:11 pm 
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Raz wrote:
Sherpa, do you have your bifocals on?
It says "discipling", not "disciplining"!
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Good! We're laughing together again!!!


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:16 pm 
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Grieving 4u wrote:
Joel Price is serving his time at a Federal Prison in Jesup, GA. I believe he was sentenced to 5 1/2 yrs.
A letter from him is being circulated at NTM Sanford saying he is "more content, more at peace, more spiritually alive, more joyous, and more zealous about life than I can ever remember being before." There is a lot more, and only God knows if it's genuine or not. We've all heard many times over about criminals "getting religious" in prison, to shorten their sentences.
I guess I would be more impressed if he were to sincerely apologize to all those he has wronged!!!
Joe and Jana Price are his parents and live at NTM Sanford.


And the hand of friendship will be extended to the prodical son when he returneth from his time in the wilderness, by them from whom he was taken away from. For not only will they forgive and forget, but they will kill the fatted calf and say "it never happened, surely he was misunderstood, yes that was it, he was misunderstood!".
And their wrath shall be directed at those who ask the questions, why and how this happened. Who pulled down the curtain of secrecy and exposed the truth.

For as the Good Book sort of saith, "there is more joy in Sanford for the return of a prodical, than the combined sorrow of those that have suffered much at the hands of such!".


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:30 pm 
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Good on Joel Price! What about his victims? Full stop.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:30 pm 
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Peter wrote:
Jim Bou worked in Venezuela for more than 20 years. During those years he abused MK's and national children (including tribal ones). But what is worse is that during most of that time he was either a member of the field committee or the field chairman. You can only imagine all the pain those boys have suffered over the years. What NTM has done to help them?


This thread interests me. Can anyone provide me with a few answers:

1) When was NTM removed from Venezuela?

1a) What reason was given by the Venezuelan govt for the removal?

1b) Was there any official comment from the U.S. govt on the matter?

2) Were any other Protestant missions also removed from Venezuela?

3) What was Jim Bou's position in Venezuela, was he the Field Chairman at any time?


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:25 am 
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Rearranging known facts can lead to different conclusions, so lets try a little exercise.

Fact. NTM was expelled from Venezuela in 2005/6.
Fact. General Chavez politically leans to the left, i.e. is closer to Cuban politics than U.S.
Fact. Venezuela is a member of OPEC, because it has good reserves of oil, which it exports.
Fact. The CIA acts on behalf of the U.S. govt to protect U.S. global interests.
Fact. George Bush invaded Iraq to deal with the problem of "weapons of mass destruction", but none were found, but there was plenty of oil there and Saddam was disposed of.
Fact. Pat Robertson (who ran for the Presidency in 1988) called for the assination of General Chavez.
Probable fact. General Chavez was a bit upset by this, given what happened to Saddam Hussien.
Fact. General Chavez claims NTM has CIA operatives amongst them and also claims that NTM is doing unauthorised flying in Venezuela.
Probable fact. Jim Bou works for NTM in Venezuela, is the govt rep and possibly the field chairman (to be verified), he is also alledged to have abused children, some of them Venezuelan citizens.
Probable fact. Jim Bou was never prosecuted.

So now lets rearrange the facts and see what we come up with.

Was NTM unwittingly assisting the CIA in Venezuela to further U.S. interests regarding Oil and political stability in the region? Was the key to this possibly missionaries like Jim Bou, who have escaped prosecution, maybe in exchange for turning a blind eye to certain activities or passing on info about a foreign government? Did General Chavez find this out and expel NTM consequently (was any other protestant mission expelled?). Were the unexplained flights that General Chavez expressed concern about, not NTM but someone else using NTM's remote airstrips?

Crazy??? No, I've just taken what is known to be true and arranged it to raise an interesting possibility. I'm not claiming that any of the end questions are true, but I'm not saying they are out of the realms of possibility, especially given the parties involved, their track records and what is at stake. And of course the people who really know, are not going to discuss such matters, can't be found or anything they say won't be trusted because of ones allegiance to certain political leanings.

Interesting ay? :roll:


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:15 pm 
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Bemused wrote:
Peter wrote:
Jim Bou worked in Venezuela for more than 20 years. During those years he abused MK's and national children (including tribal ones). But what is worse is that during most of that time he was either a member of the field committee or the field chairman. You can only imagine all the pain those boys have suffered over the years. What NTM has done to help them?


This thread interests me. Can anyone provide me with a few answers:

1) When was NTM removed from Venezuela?
1a) What reason was given by the Venezuelan govt for the removal?
1b) Was there any official comment from the U.S. govt on the matter?
2) Were any other Protestant missions also removed from Venezuela?
3) What was Jim Bou's position in Venezuela, was he the Field Chairman at any time?

I'll try to answer these.

1 - late in 2005 (the last NTM missionaries left the country in Feb. 2006)
1a - This from a Christianity Today article:
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Describing New Tribes Mission (NTM) as a "true imperialist infiltration that makes me ashamed," Chavez declared he was fed up with "colonialism" and accused the mission group of links to the CIA, spying on Venezuela, and exploiting indigenous people. "We don't want New Tribes here," he said.

Vice President Jose Vicente Rangel repeated the accusations on Thursday. "We have intelligence reports that some of them are CIA," he told reporters. "The president's decision was based on reports that their actions create situations that compromise the country's sovereignty."

1b - not as far as I know or could find
2 - none that I know of
3 - for all or most of the time he was with NTM in Venezuela, he was the primary government representative. He may have been FC.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:54 pm 
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An interesting side note:

from http://merricklife.com/issue/october-6-2011/article/fish-fry-yard-sale-fundraiser-at-first-baptist

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All proceeds from this event will be given to the following missions projects supported by the church:
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• In Venezuela Jim Bou has been translating the Bible into the language of the Macquithitari people group.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 4:13 pm 
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Bemused wrote:
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Was NTM unwittingly assisting the CIA in Venezuela to further U.S. interests regarding Oil and political stability in the region? Was the key to this possibly missionaries like Jim Bou, who have escaped prosecution, maybe in exchange for turning a blind eye to certain activities or passing on info about a foreign government? Did General Chavez find this out and expel NTM consequently (was any other protestant mission expelled?). Were the unexplained flights that General Chavez expressed concern about, not NTM but someone else using NTM's remote airstrips?
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It's possible that some of their airstrips may have been used by others without their knowledge or permission, but I think that was just something they could throw out there without having to provide any proof, and it would be pretty difficult to refute.

If you do a Google search of New Tribes Mission and Venezuela, there were accusations (in the early 1970's I think) that two foreigners with ties to American military contractors were found in a remote part of Venezuela in the company of a member of NTM. I've not been able to find any substantiation of that one way or the other.

In summary, I think NTM was just an easy target for Chavez.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 4:13 pm 
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I forgot that someone posted on here a long time ago that Jim Bou still lives in Venezuela! That is appalling!!!

I can't seem to access the link you posted, JerryB, but evidently this pedophile is still "having a ministry", and there is a First Baptist Church somewhere that is still supporting him with fish fries and yard sales???

Nauseating.

What is the matter with people????


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:38 pm 
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Many thanks for the info, Jerry and Raz.

Westerners in general don't ask/think about where there donations go. Which is why we end up with food aid for Africa sitting in warehouses being eaten by rats, not by the starving people it was sent to.

In this respect NTM actually does it better, in that one generally supports the individual missionary, instead of the organisation as a whole. Therefore the donator can be directly involved in what their donation is used for, unless of course the recipient is not doing what they should. Which of course is where we come in, to sort the wheat from the chaff or to get back to the original illustration, stop feeding the rats at the expense of the starving.


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