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[Let's give Steve and the Armours some quality advice on what they should do next. Some people have mentioned helping pay for counseling of those he abused, get counseling himself, and going to the police and admitting everything. Do you agree with this or what do you suggest?
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Completely, Totally Agree!!! To clarify, he needs to go to the police in Brazil. Maybe he could also take a few other abusers with him as well. Also, there is probably more he could and should do.

thenumber7: I'm not sure if you are asking my opinion personally or if you are asking everyone on the forum? One thing I have felt from Steve over the years is that he is willing to do "just enough" in order to appease us and keep us quiet. I have to say that with you continuing to ask what Steve needs to do now is almost starting to annoy me. There is plenty of information on this forum alone about what an abuser needs to do in order to make things right. There is plenty of information on repentence and what that should look like. I have mentioned in many of my posts what I would have liked and would like to see from Steve. The information is all here. I would like to see continous baby steps in the right direction with Steve. And he should willingly do it on his own. The victims and the parents of the victims should not have to be breathing down his neck, checking to make sure that he is following through with all these things.

MrsM. So true what you said. I think an "apology" like that is done more for the benefit of the abuser and not at all with the victims in mind.

If Steve was truly repentant about the abuse, shouldn't he have gone above and beyond to avoid any situation or actions that could be questionable? I'm thinking of the two times in high school when he made references to my body and "undressed me with his eyes" while showing that "sick smile" that the victims are all too aware of. In thinking of those two times, the best case scenerio that I can fathom is that he was simply trying to compliment me and maybe I took it to mean something else because of the past abuse. But even if that were the case (which I don't believe it was) he should never have gotten himself in that situation to begin with. He should have been living "above reproach."
I'm not sure if Steve even remembers this happening or if he will even admit to it. I'd like to describe one of those times so you can see where I'm coming from. This happened my 10th grade year, '93 or '94. It was a sunny afternoon and I was home alone. I was laying out by the pool in my bikini (such sinfulness, I know). Our gate opened and I saw Steve coming around the corner. He was alone. My first instinct was fear, I wanted to hide. I felt very vulnerable since I was home alone. But then I told myself that he could not hurt me and I would stand my ground. He was walking over to the pool and I did not want to be laying on the ground as that made me feel too vulnerable. So I stood up. I thought of grabing my towel to wrap around me but then told myself "I have nothing to fear. I am not ashamed of my body. I have nothing to hide." So I stood there. After a little small talk, he asked me if I had lost weight. Then he said I looked really good while he looked me up and down and followed up with that sick smile. Shortly after that he left.
If Steve was truly repentant for his past abuse, if he had any knowledge at all of how victims feel then as soon as he realized that I was home alone he should have turned right back around and left. He shouldn't have made his way over to the pool. He should not have talked with me. He should not have made reference to my body. he should not have looked me up and down. He should have avoided all of these things. Best case scenerio is that he is very ignorant. Worst case scenerio is that he's a man who lives in denial of all he's done and has never fully repented and turned from his sins.

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This thread about Steve Armour continues to be so upsetting to me. Again I send my love to all of Steve's victims, and I support you very much in your courageous exposure of this predator.

I also want to say how much I resonate with MrsM's musings about the hollowness of a pedophile's apology. Wow, this really strikes a chord. Empty, empty words. Even if I were to get a "sorry about that" directly out of Les Emory's mouth, I just don't know that it would make me feel even a tiny bit better about what he did to my daughters and other children I love.
Why do we even ask for an apology, CPC of NTM and all others reading this? Is there even any point in it at all? These child molesters are the tools of Satan, the Destroyer! We will never be able to believe or trust anything they say, or write! Ever!
I don't even know what the point is of trying to force them to say anything!
Nothing will undo what they did to our kids.

Show me fruits worthy of repentance. Show me a changed life. Transparency. Humility. Survivor's story of what Steve did at the pool perfectly illustrates what I'm thinking. Those seemingly casual actions and words that day, which might have been innocent coming from someone else, prove to me that this predator DOES NOT GET IT!!!

Okay, that was probably pointless venting, but I just needed to say it.

All the "I'm sorry"s in the world won't give my sweet, trusting little daughters their innocence back. Your stole that from them, you despicable piece of human garbage!!! Okay, I'm crying now. Time to stop typing and hit "submit".

timotheonb: Thank you. I don't know who you are but thank you for bringing this to light. I was not down south and I couldn't say from first hand experience. I always suspected that anyone who invited Steve to work with them had not heard the whole story of what happened. At least I did not want to think that they would have invited him if they knew the whole story. Yes, wanting to be independant from the church and not have to obey any leadership has been something he has shown more than once and raises red flags all over the place. Thank you for sharing this since you were there.