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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:18 am 
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Raz wrote:
I miss Sherpa too, Demos, but are you forgetting about one of the big issues that really upset him?

And now there have been three lawsuits filed, not just one.

I imagine he is VERY unhappy about that.


I asked the fandaeagles powers that be to delete somewhere between 1700 and 2000 posts of mine in May of 2011 in response to Sherpa saying he liked me as a person but was having a hard time with my attorney side. I did that so he would feel more comfortable on this website. The first lawsuit was filed just a few days later. I can see how a lawsuit would generate frustration, because he was wanting folks to focus on healing, and lawsuits, by their very nature, go counter to that. You'll notice I haven't filed any lawsuits, and neither has my sister. There are others who post here who have had more experience than me as an attorney, and others who have had more experience in litigation with New Tribes Mission, but I do know how to find the Clerk of Court's office in Sanford. I do know how to find the nearest Federal courthouse. I know how to draft a complaint. And I know what it takes to prepare a case for trial. I personally do not recommend going to the courthouse. The only people I've seen leaving there happy on a consistent basis are the attorneys. But at the same time, when an organization has covered up the most horrible of crimes....for decades....I certainly don't blame anyone for filing a lawsuit against New Tribes Mission.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:47 pm 
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As Arthur Conin Doyle in "Sherlock Holmes" said "when you have exhausted all possible explanations, what is left, no matter how implausable, is the answer".

If one has asked nicely, begged, cried, pleaded, asked others to intervene, used the media to obtain what one feels is just and right. And those options have not resulted in any precievable result, then the legal option begins to loom as a viable answer.

Yes, it makes they that practise the law well renumerated for the efforts, but it does force the issue to a judgement one way or the other.

Do remember however pursing the legal option is not possible for all MKs, due to geographic locations, however if you need assistance you have only to ask such MKs :) .


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Bemused wrote:
As Arthur Conin Doyle in "Sherlock Holmes" said "when you have exhausted all possible explanations, what is left, no matter how implausable, is the answer".

If one has asked nicely, begged, cried, pleaded, asked others to intervene, used the media to obtain what one feels is just and right. And those options have not resulted in any precievable result, then the legal option begins to loom as a viable answer.

Yes, it makes they that practise the law well renumerated for the efforts, but it does force the issue to a judgement one way or the other.

Do remember however pursing the legal option is not possible for all MKs, due to geographic locations, however if you need assistance you have only to ask such MKs :) .


Seriously, Bemused, you should offer to be a mediator (paid in gallons of Mountain Dew) between New Tribes and its victims. You won't start off each session with prayer and a Bible verse....you will focus, and you will bring people together. Consider it.


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You are most kind. Alas I have to declare that I am biased on the side of victims and are too closely involved to be dispassionate. I can see why NTM thinks and acts the way the do, but I still can't condone most of it.

I was talking with the interlectually gifted Mrs Bemused last night. One concern we have is that the IHART team are all ex police officers. This is good in that they know the right questions to ask and will no doubt do an excellent job. But from my knowledge of a police officers code of ethics, if a crime is put in front of your nose and is obviously a serious and valid accusation, isn't a sworn officer (now retired) obliged to report that to say a senior colleague (or a non retired officer). Just writing recommendations for the organisation that the accusation stems from puzzles Mrs Bemused and I.
Given that we are talking multiple cases of Rape, Incest and other serious offences, it has us curious.

Under current NZ legislation, as a health professional, if I suspect a child in my care is the victim of abuse I am required to report it, as are school teachers and certain other professions. In the IHART case it will be far more than a suspicion, but with the complication of being historic.

I'm not belittling the work or credibility of individuals on the IHART team, just want to know what I'm getting myself into, before I take the big leap of faith and spill my story.

Any words of wisdom appreciated.


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Bemused wrote:
You are most kind. Alas I have to declare that I am biased on the side of victims and are too closely involved to be dispassionate. I can see why NTM thinks and acts the way the do, but I still can't condone most of it.

I was talking with the interlectually gifted Mrs Bemused last night. One concern we have is that the IHART team are all ex police officers. This is good in that they know the right questions to ask and will no doubt do an excellent job. But from my knowledge of a police officers code of ethics, if a crime is put in front of your nose and is obviously a serious and valid accusation, isn't a sworn officer (now retired) obliged to report that to say a senior colleague (or a non retired officer). Just writing recommendations for the organisation that the accusation stems from puzzles Mrs Bemused and I.
Given that we are talking multiple cases of Rape, Incest and other serious offences, it has us curious.

Under current NZ legislation, as a health professional, if I suspect a child in my care is the victim of abuse I am required to report it, as are school teachers and certain other professions. In the IHART case it will be far more than a suspicion, but with the complication of being historic.

I'm not belittling the work or credibility of individuals on the IHART team, just want to know what I'm getting myself into, before I take the big leap of faith and spill my story.

Any words of wisdom appreciated.
Just be yourself, be Bemused, and let the chips fall where they may. The world needs more people like you, people willing to be real, and willing to deal with reality. As for the responsibilities of law enforcement officers, let them worry about it.


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Bemused wrote:
You are most kind. Alas I have to declare that I am biased on the side of victims and are too closely involved to be dispassionate. I can see why NTM thinks and acts the way the do, but I still can't condone most of it.

I was talking with the interlectually gifted Mrs Bemused last night. One concern we have is that the IHART team are all ex police officers. This is good in that they know the right questions to ask and will no doubt do an excellent job. But from my knowledge of a police officers code of ethics, if a crime is put in front of your nose and is obviously a serious and valid accusation, isn't a sworn officer (now retired) obliged to report that to say a senior colleague (or a non retired officer). Just writing recommendations for the organisation that the accusation stems from puzzles Mrs Bemused and I.
Given that we are talking multiple cases of Rape, Incest and other serious offences, it has us curious.

Under current NZ legislation, as a health professional, if I suspect a child in my care is the victim of abuse I am required to report it, as are school teachers and certain other professions. In the IHART case it will be far more than a suspicion, but with the complication of being historic.

I'm not belittling the work or credibility of individuals on the IHART team, just want to know what I'm getting myself into, before I take the big leap of faith and spill my story.

Any words of wisdom appreciated.


That is a very valid question to raise, Bemused!

Will these retired police officers be breaking their code of ethics if they do NOT report the things they discover?

Hmmm ....

This complicated stew gets even more complicated.


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Just be yourself, be Bemused, and let the chips fall where they may. The world needs more people like you, people willing to be real, and willing to deal with reality.


That's very good and kind advice. I think Bemused and the persona behind Bemused are an evolutionary work in progress. Except for when I'm in uniform, I'm actually shy and prone to avoid confrontation. But since joining Fanda Eagles, my confidence to speak out and take on injustice has grown exponentially and for this I am most grateful.
It came down to a matter of choice upon learning the extent of the abuse scandal. 1) not get involved and just hope (not exactly pray in my case) that someone, somewhere, somehow would fix it. or 2) Attempt to bring an element of justice and sanity (with infused bits of hilarious insanity) to what appears to be a nightmare for so many of us.
My conscience and the panning out of events leaves me with little doubt (a Sympathetic Agnostic always has some doubt ;) ), that option 2) was/is the only viable option. It has as you kindly say, allowed me to be myself and where the chips are falling is most interesting.


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Raz wrote:
Bemused wrote:
You are most kind. Alas I have to declare that I am biased on the side of victims and are too closely involved to be dispassionate. I can see why NTM thinks and acts the way the do, but I still can't condone most of it.

I was talking with the interlectually gifted Mrs Bemused last night. One concern we have is that the IHART team are all ex police officers. This is good in that they know the right questions to ask and will no doubt do an excellent job. But from my knowledge of a police officers code of ethics, if a crime is put in front of your nose and is obviously a serious and valid accusation, isn't a sworn officer (now retired) obliged to report that to say a senior colleague (or a non retired officer). Just writing recommendations for the organisation that the accusation stems from puzzles Mrs Bemused and I.
Given that we are talking multiple cases of Rape, Incest and other serious offences, it has us curious.

Under current NZ legislation, as a health professional, if I suspect a child in my care is the victim of abuse I am required to report it, as are school teachers and certain other professions. In the IHART case it will be far more than a suspicion, but with the complication of being historic.

I'm not belittling the work or credibility of individuals on the IHART team, just want to know what I'm getting myself into, before I take the big leap of faith and spill my story.

Any words of wisdom appreciated.


That is a very valid question to raise, Bemused!

Will these retired police officers be breaking their code of ethics if they do NOT report the things they discover?

Hmmm ....

This complicated stew gets even more complicated.


I'm limited by my lack of knowledge on the matter and obvious geographic distance, so I can only go off what I know would be the case under NZ jurisdiction.
There is also the principle of "the greater good" that is sometimes used in a criminal matter. i.e. for example, the law doesn't rush in and deal with a petty drug user, when they can complete a thorough operation and deal with those who are supplying and running the operation.
But either way, the evidence that has already come to light is of serious criminal offending and does require a serious penalty/s.


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Different personalities are a plus.
And we like the way you both go about problem-solving.
It makes very good reading too!
This last topic raised by the Bemuseds is worth considering.
Serious business.
When one retires he throws all ethics aside and just goes for the money???
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Is he allowed to do that?


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JERRY BARTLETT wrote:
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First off I just wonder why OT feels it's his duty to get on the Tambo forum to hump a new leg! Really, what's up with that? Do you really think it's your obligation to cross examine any and all? I agree completely with Tambo Graduate and think we should be concerned with healing...I don't know any other guy who can quote from Marry Poppins verbatum! Your mocking, derisive tone makes me wonder what it must be like for those who have to endure you on a daily basis...sheesh already! I've been waiting a long time to hear from my compatriotas from Tambo...Are you that ornery that you need to run them off?

LOL LOL LOL I think many more would support us here if there was less leg humping and word parsing. I know several who read but will not comment


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