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 Post subject: Re: The silent majority
PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:21 pm 
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I am equally dumbfounded by the lack of publicity. When a tragedy has occurred in the past in NTM, it has taken up at least a page of the NTM@work if not the entire edition. A tragedy of this magnitude could take up several years of NTM@work. But I recently saw the current NTM@ work and couldn't find one mention of the GRACE report, the abuse at Fanda or such....unless it was obscure--I skimmed. And why shouldn't it be on the public homepage of ntm.org? That doesn't make any sense. To be open about your faults and your repentance isn't bragging about what your doing right. It's just the right thing to do.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:37 pm 
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Some thoughts on Bible based cults: Any group which has a pyramid type authoritarian leadership structure with all teaching and guidance coming from the person/persons at the top. They teach the central doctrines of the Christian faith and then add the extra authority of leadership or someone's particular writings. They centre around the interpretations of the leadership, and submissive and unquestioning acceptance of these is essential to be a member of good standing. The key is that they will be using mind control or undue influence on their members.
The leaders may claim a special, exclusive ministry, revelation or position of authority given by God. They believe they are the only true church/organization, and praise and exalt their own group, leaders and work.
There will be great emphasis on loyalty to the group and its teachings, and the lives of members will be absorbed into the group's activities. They will have little or no time to think for themselves because of physical and emotional exhaustion. This is also a vital part of the mind control process.
Any dissent or questioning of the group's teachings is discouraged. Criticism in any form is seen as rebellion. There will be emphasis on authority, unquestioning obedience and submission.
Attempts to leave or reveal embarrassing facts about the group may be met with threats.
"Us verses Them" mentality. Isolation from the community in general. Anyone and everything outside the group is seen as "of the devil" or unenlightened, etc.
SEVERE GUILT COMPLEXES: Misdemeanors are made into "mountains" so that members are in a constant state of guilt for infringing even the most minor rules. Guilt is piled upon pile with new rules constantly being laid down about what is sinful and what is not.
These are some excerpts from IDENTIFYING A CULT, by Jan Groenveld.


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 Post subject: Re: The silent majority
PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:56 pm 
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jmg wrote:
And why shouldn't it be on the public homepage of ntm.org?

Exactly. My question of the day as well.

I well remember the unmarried couples who fell into sexual immorality at Bible school. They certainly were announced during chapel, names, sins and all- and then promptly dismissed.

What's the standard here?


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 Post subject: Re: The silent majority
PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:54 pm 
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Grieving4u, what you have quoted about cults above sums up Fanda as I saw it.


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 Post subject: Re: The silent majority
PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 7:35 pm 
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Gene Long wrote:
MrsM wrote:
Thanks, Ornery, for your reply.
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I am seriously considering notifying a lot of churches. I know several around here who support NTMers.

I will keep posted to the forums what I do.


Here is some advice I posted elsewhere on the forum. It may be helpful here, as well.

Noticeably missing from these forums are . . . pastors of churches that support NTM, Inc. or missionaries they employ. If you know of churches that support NTM, Inc. or its missionaries, consider writing them a polite letter bringing this situation to their attention (believe it or not, not everyone knows about this!). Here are a few guidelines:

Do not use profanity; there is no reason to raise the crimes committed or the cover up to these unwarranted heights. These things are beneath the contempt of any words you can find. You can be graphic without being vulgar. Use legal language if you want, medical/ forensic language if you are capable of it. Be forthright.

Emphasize the cover up. I do not say this to detract from the heinous crimes, but to highlight the responsibility that must be borne by NTM, Inc. Churches delegate oversight of the missionaries they support to NTM, Inc. These churches need to see how miserably and utterly NTM, Inc. has failed; NTM, Inc. has not been unfaithful in small things, but large. This does matter to churches, pastors and missions committees, whether they respond to your letter or not.

Suggest alternative ways that their missionaries can serve. It is possible to have even a tribal ministry outside of NTM, Inc. This is the 21st century now, and communication is such that churches can have a lot more direct oversight of/ input into their missionaries' ministries than ever before. Pastor X and his church are probably going to have more love and concern for the missionaries they know and support than NTM, Inc. is going to have for them!

Show as much passion as you feel, but remember that your first objective is to convince people, not rant. Ranting, raving and screaming have a place, and this forum is probably pretty safe for that! But, if you are trying to get someone to get off the fence and take a stand, those approaches are likely to be counterproductive. I do not defend the uncommitted, but I admit that it is very difficult emotionally for people to abandon ship, even (and sometimes especially) when it is sinking. No one is going to be convinced by intellectual arguments alone; emotional issues play a vital part. It's a difficult balance to maintain, but we all need to try.

Thank you, MrsM, for your brave and principled stand for justice.


Gene, this post with your tips for writing to churches is excellent, and I'm sure there are many more action tips like this around the forums and comments.

Maybe a separate area of the website could be dedicated to "Action Tools" with clear, manageable, step-by-step ideas for people who are ready to step out of the 'silent majority'. Just a thought. :)


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 Post subject: Re: The silent majority
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:15 pm 
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jmg wrote:
Thank you for your encouragement toward action, Mr. O Thornery. I agree that actions speak the loudest, and it does seem that if the members within NTM and the churches and individuals supporting them were to speak up/out, that it would be powerful. I didn't quite understand the reference to putting food on the table & jeopardizing our ministry. Are you saying it would jeopardize us & our relationship with our supporters if we spoke up? Or are you saying it would jeopardize NTM and then we'd have no ministry and then no supporters and then no food on the table? Just trying to understand! As for the first possibility, I believe each person on our support team values openness, honesty and justice. And as to the second possibility, I believe God can use our family in ministry in or out of NTM, with our without support. So no fears for either regard. Yet, please set me straight if I misunderstood you! Thank you for speaking up to encourage all of us to take action! And no offense taken!

I have been following some of your ramblings and i must embarrassingly admit that I don't often understand them. Maybe it has more to do with my not really getting poetic prose in highschool either. :P And then I was gonna say, maybe it's an MK thing--like alot of other things in life that go over my head--but that can't be right since you're an MK also.... ???
So I'm not sure what's the reference to knitting & the Tale of Two Cities (but of course I never read the story).


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 Post subject: Re: The silent majority
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:23 pm 
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Demostenes Dalai Mud Lama wrote:
jmg wrote:
Thank you for your encouragement toward action, Mr. O Thornery. I agree that actions speak the loudest, and it does seem that if the members within NTM and the churches and individuals supporting them were to speak up/out, that it would be powerful. I didn't quite understand the reference to putting food on the table & jeopardizing our ministry. Are you saying it would jeopardize us & our relationship with our supporters if we spoke up? Or are you saying it would jeopardize NTM and then we'd have no ministry and then no supporters and then no food on the table? Just trying to understand! As for the first possibility, I believe each person on our support team values openness, honesty and justice. And as to the second possibility, I believe God can use our family in ministry in or out of NTM, with our without support. So no fears for either regard. Yet, please set me straight if I misunderstood you! Thank you for speaking up to encourage all of us to take action! And no offense taken!

I have been following some of your ramblings and i must embarrassingly admit that I don't often understand them. Maybe it has more to do with my not really getting poetic prose in highschool either. :P And then I was gonna say, maybe it's an MK thing--like alot of other things in life that go over my head--but that can't be right since you're an MK also.... ???
So I'm not sure what's the reference to knitting & the Tale of Two Cities (but of course I never read the story).


Tale of Two Cities isn't exactly an obscure writing found next to the Dead Sea Scrolls. I don't mind what I have to say being described as "ramblings", but could you at least spend 90 seconds and google the cliff notes and then tell me you don't understand.
I accept your counter-arguments. Now after almost two more years, how do you explain NTM's silence?
No disdain intended.....I just want to hear solid arguments, or at least a well-crafted excuse (we helplessly wait with hands folded the conclusion of the IHART investigations).....I'm tired of silence.


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 Post subject: Re: The silent majority
PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:19 am 
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It's Haloween in two nights time
The Ghosts and Gouls will come out to play
And then with the magic broomstick
All will be swept away

But for some of us its Haloween
Every night of the year
For when we dream, we dream
Of terror and in fear

The ghosts of the past still haunt
And healing is like mistle toe
Somewhere in another season
And a long long way to go

And The Silent Majority
Wonder what is all the din
Why can't them haunted MKs
Let healing fill them in

Because the ghosts and gouls still roam
With longlasting trick not treat
And woe betide the little child
Who from them accepts something to eat

And it's hard to sleep at night
When the sheets are pulled up tight
Covering the deeds of yesteryear
And the sheets are grey not white

And still we hear the cackle
Of their laughter round the room
As they beat another child
And then rode off on their broom

And their words, like many others
"Forgive, forget, so we may be free
To beat another child
Just like we did to thee and thee"

The broom is no longer flying
It's used to sweep dirt away
And they despises those that expose
What, with almost they got away

So now it's time for victims
To shout out loud "trick or treat"
We know what you were doing
Underneath that grey sheet

And the epitaph they write
Will now be short and not so sweet
"Here lies a ghost, a goul an abuser
No more trick or treat!"


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 Post subject: Re: The silent majority
PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:26 am 
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ooohhh ... creepy!

:shock: :twisted:

and haunting ....


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 Post subject: Re: The silent majority
PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:07 am 
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I found this site about three weeks ago and have been reading through many of the posts trying to get a sense of the history and to understand where everyone is coming from. I am an ntm mk. I mostly grew up in the states, although we did spend a few years on the field. We moved many times and I used to envy those mks who went back to the same field because they had roots, a family..or so it seemed. I remain rootless and somewhat unattached to this day..although this site has made me think over that. I have to say I was fortunate and was always treated extremely well by the adult ntm missionaries in my life...at least as a young child. Certainly never abused. Judged, well yes...but that has occurred elsewhere and I have certainly repaid in kind. Sadly!
I am saddened and humbled by the many obvious parallels between the catholic church, penn state, the boy scouts, bbc, abwe, ntm....I admit when the catholic church scandal broke I was horrified..but thought the 'Christian' church was above that. I thought, " well, that's just evidence that they are a religion, not a true church following God.". Arrogant, self-righteous, judgmental..yes. It IS evidence that we are all sinners and desperately in need of redemption. It is a call for repentance..and it begins with me.
Perhaps ntm needs to have a season of repentance...a call to all their members to fast, to mourn, and to repent. NTM? Any response? I have not heard of this occurring mission wide. Perhaps you all would like to join me?


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