Comments on: NTM Abuse http://fandaeagles.com Our Voice Sun, 29 Jan 2012 03:11:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: REO Spiderwagon http://fandaeagles.com/comment-page-7/#comment-162155 REO Spiderwagon Sun, 29 Jan 2012 03:11:37 +0000 http://fandaeagles.com/?page_id=666#comment-162155 http://usa.ntm.org/field-news/update-from-investigation-team last update from ihart posted at ntm.org dated 9/20/11 meanwhile, 71 "mission news" updates since 9/20/11 http://usa.ntm.org/field-news/mission-news/P0 the "ministry" will always be the priority...the children will always be in 72nd place http://usa.ntm.org/field-news/update-from-investigation-team
last update from ihart posted at ntm.org
dated 9/20/11

meanwhile, 71 “mission news” updates since 9/20/11
http://usa.ntm.org/field-news/mission-news/P0

the “ministry” will always be the priority…the children will always be in 72nd place

]]> By: Janqua http://fandaeagles.com/comment-page-7/#comment-161200 Janqua Thu, 26 Jan 2012 20:43:09 +0000 http://fandaeagles.com/?page_id=666#comment-161200 Look, this wasn't just Fandas, as so many have pointed out. I know NT MKs in Panama and Bolivia personally, who have told me horrific stories of sexual abuse, usually starting around 10 years of age. Look, this wasn’t just Fandas, as so many have pointed out. I know NT MKs in Panama and Bolivia personally, who have told me horrific stories of sexual abuse, usually starting around 10 years of age.

]]> By: DAVID G SNURE http://fandaeagles.com/comment-page-7/#comment-136606 DAVID G SNURE Mon, 12 Dec 2011 21:33:07 +0000 http://fandaeagles.com/?page_id=666#comment-136606 I just ran across the shocking article in World Magazine on line while surfing the internet here in the hotel room in Liege Belgium. I am an NTM MK from Thailand 1954-1963.I graduated from NTM Bible School in 1965 and served in the US army 1966-1970 and 1974-1980. I did not attend an NTM School as there were none at that time in Thailand. When I was 15 while on furlogh in the US my parents Glenn and Opal Snure gave me the choice of returning to Thailand with them or remaining in the US with relatives to attend school here. I chose to return to Thailand. I was home schooled most of my life or jumping from one public school to another while in the US. High school was by correspondence course. I had a goal to become a missionary pilot with NTM but various things prevented that and God has raised up others to do this job. H has taken me a different direction to teach me other things. I now support my family through international aicraft maintenance . Enough on background . I have become aware over the years of the serious effects of abuse in its various forms. I was shocked to run across this article that linked me to this blog site. I pray for healing for all of the victims. I pray that NTM will be more than "ashamed" as Larry Brown stated but will realize that neglected oversight by the international committee in lieu of not interferinbg in local field leadership has now reflected throughout the organizatio and is open to the world to see.God's work will continue to go forward with or without NTM. I Pray for a rise above bitterness toward a new beginning as difficult as it may be. I pray for all my fellow MK'S esspecially you in this extremely difficult situation. May The eternal God who is always faithful wrap His loving arms around you and bring healing to yoiur soul. A fellow MK David G Snure (Dave) I just ran across the shocking article in World Magazine on line while surfing the internet here in the hotel room in Liege Belgium. I am an NTM MK from Thailand 1954-1963.I graduated from NTM Bible School in 1965 and served in the US army 1966-1970 and 1974-1980. I did not attend an NTM School as there were none at that time in Thailand. When I was 15 while on furlogh in the US my parents Glenn and Opal Snure gave me the choice of returning to Thailand with them or remaining in the US with relatives to attend school here. I chose to return to Thailand. I was home schooled most of my life or jumping from one public school to another while in the US. High school was by correspondence course. I had a goal to become a missionary pilot with NTM but various things prevented that and God has raised up others to do this job. H has taken me a different direction to teach me other things. I now support my family through international aicraft maintenance .
Enough on background . I have become aware over the years of the serious effects of abuse in its various forms. I was shocked to run across this article that linked me to this blog site. I pray for healing for all of the victims. I pray that NTM will be more than “ashamed” as Larry Brown stated but will realize that neglected oversight by the international committee in lieu of not interferinbg in local field leadership has now reflected throughout the organizatio and is open to the world to see.God’s work will continue to go forward with or without NTM. I Pray for a rise above bitterness toward a new beginning as difficult as it may be. I pray for all my fellow MK’S esspecially you in this extremely difficult situation. May The eternal God who is always faithful wrap His loving arms around you and bring healing to yoiur soul.

A fellow MK

David G Snure (Dave)

]]> By: Benjamin Chung http://fandaeagles.com/comment-page-7/#comment-133459 Benjamin Chung Tue, 06 Dec 2011 13:37:42 +0000 http://fandaeagles.com/?page_id=666#comment-133459 Dear God, in the faces of so many victims and survivors, and for those who did not survive this atrocity, we humbly ask that thou shalt shut down this New Tribe Mission, in the atonement for the crimes that have been committed against humanity. O Lord prosecute these bastards for condoning such an act and failed their courage to act, in thy very humble name and mine, I do pray, Amen. Dear God, in the faces of so many victims and survivors, and for those who did not survive this atrocity, we humbly ask that thou shalt shut down this New Tribe Mission, in the atonement for the crimes that have been committed against humanity. O Lord prosecute these bastards for condoning such an act and failed their courage to act, in thy very humble name and mine, I do pray, Amen.

]]> By: John Mikitson http://fandaeagles.com/comment-page-7/#comment-121280 John Mikitson Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:44:32 +0000 http://fandaeagles.com/?page_id=666#comment-121280 wow, Joe Paterno and Penn State President both fired for cover-up of sex abuse in their organization!! Attention NTM!!! Note: Penn State alumni rushed to defend these leaders and their school reputation. Incredible! Just like the faithful NTM sheep and their denial. wow, Joe Paterno and Penn State President both fired for cover-up of sex abuse in their organization!! Attention NTM!!! Note: Penn State alumni rushed to defend these leaders and their school reputation. Incredible! Just like the faithful NTM sheep and their denial.

]]> By: More Than Disgusted http://fandaeagles.com/comment-page-7/#comment-120425 More Than Disgusted Tue, 08 Nov 2011 12:33:08 +0000 http://fandaeagles.com/?page_id=666#comment-120425 <a href="#comment-120237" rel="nofollow">@Ironman</a> If NTM would take your suggestion, Ironman, I could change my name to SATISFIED. What you wrote is not a frustrated rant. It is timely. And from experience as well as recent appearances, true @Ironman

If NTM would take your suggestion, Ironman, I could change my name to SATISFIED.
What you wrote is not a frustrated rant. It is timely. And from experience as well as recent appearances, true

]]> By: Ironman http://fandaeagles.com/comment-page-7/#comment-120237 Ironman Mon, 07 Nov 2011 23:20:06 +0000 http://fandaeagles.com/?page_id=666#comment-120237 New Tribes Mission leadership worldwide: The handwriting is on the wall. Its over. I ask of you to do the only noble thing left...that is to set in motion a plan of action that will dismantle this atomic bomb called New Tribes Mission. This mission can no longer stand and shouldn't. There are plenty of other organizations out there doing the work of the Kingdom and I'm quite certain that even if every tribe was vacated today of all missionaries, somehow I know that God is bigger than any unfunished work you leave behind. Others would rise to the challenge. Point is, you didn't and now you shouldn't!!! By all means close the ministry down, but don't leave the hurt and wounded unprovided for. I believe this course of action is the right and noble thing to do. Trying to survive and change is not possible when the abuses, of every kind, are part of the very fabric and philosophy of NTM as so clearly pointed out in the GRACE report. The lepoard can't change its spots and neither can NTM change its nature, as hard as all of you think you are trying. The abuses just run too consistent too pervasive and too deep. Your not seeing or thinking clearly because your vision is clouded. Self preservation will result in self destruction. For the record, I'm an umpteenth generation NTM MK and NTBI grad, raised my whole life on foreign soil, and who did not suffer any physical or sexual abuses, but I have reached the conclusion that enough is enough and my brothers and sisters have lived in an earthly hell of the leadeships creating for far too long. (It goes without saying, we all suffered spiritual abuse.) Investigate, deal with the abuses and abusers correctly, put money in escrow for all those hurting so proper healing can take place, and in the meantime start shuttering the doors, worldwide!!! If you don't, my money says God will. I say all this, not out of frustration or anger nor any ill will toward any one individual, but rather it comes from a sincere and honest heart. This is not an inflamatory letter. Its just simply stating the obvious... game over, just please recognize this before you all have to find out the hard way and before you bring any more harm to Gods name and his people! Please head this advice, if you won't then at least its one more log on the fire to bring down the gates. In Jesus name! Sincerely, Ironman New Tribes Mission leadership worldwide:

The handwriting is on the wall. Its over. I ask of you to do the only noble thing left…that is to set in motion a plan of action that will dismantle this atomic bomb called New Tribes Mission. This mission can no longer stand and shouldn’t. There are plenty of other organizations out there doing the work of the Kingdom and I’m quite certain that even if every tribe was vacated today of all missionaries, somehow I know that God is bigger than any unfunished work you leave behind. Others would rise to the challenge. Point is, you didn’t and now you shouldn’t!!!

By all means close the ministry down, but don’t leave the hurt and wounded unprovided for.
I believe this course of action is the right and noble thing to do. Trying to survive and change is not possible when the abuses, of every kind, are part of the very fabric and philosophy of NTM as so clearly pointed out in the GRACE report. The lepoard can’t change its spots and neither can NTM change its nature, as hard as all of you think you are trying. The abuses just run too consistent too pervasive and too deep. Your not seeing or thinking clearly because your vision is clouded. Self preservation will result in self destruction.

For the record, I’m an umpteenth generation NTM MK and NTBI grad, raised my whole life on foreign soil, and who did not suffer any physical or sexual abuses, but I have reached the conclusion that enough is enough and my brothers and sisters have lived in an earthly hell of the leadeships creating for far too long. (It goes without saying, we all suffered spiritual abuse.) Investigate, deal with the abuses and abusers correctly, put money in escrow for all those hurting so proper healing can take place, and in the meantime start shuttering the doors, worldwide!!! If you don’t, my money says God will.

I say all this, not out of frustration or anger nor any ill will toward any one individual, but rather it comes from a sincere and honest heart. This is not an inflamatory letter. Its just simply stating the obvious… game over, just please recognize this before you all have to find out the hard way and before you bring any more harm to Gods name and his people!

Please head this advice, if you won’t then at least its one more log on the fire to bring down the gates. In Jesus name!

Sincerely,
Ironman

]]> By: More Than Disgusted http://fandaeagles.com/comment-page-7/#comment-115654 More Than Disgusted Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:17:28 +0000 http://fandaeagles.com/?page_id=666#comment-115654 <a href="#comment-114501" rel="nofollow">@NTM child</a> Nice, NTM child! You have a good way of stating that. Very true. @NTM child

Nice, NTM child!
You have a good way of stating that.
Very true.

]]> By: Wiki Kid http://fandaeagles.com/comment-page-7/#comment-114611 Wiki Kid Sat, 22 Oct 2011 19:06:25 +0000 http://fandaeagles.com/?page_id=666#comment-114611 Remember "The War on Terror" and the term "Colateral Damage". Let me refresh your memory, when you drop bombs on someone, say Al Quida or the Taliban, sometimes you miss and get women and children. To make it a bit more palatable to the public at home, you call it "Colateral Damage", didn't mean to get those innocent bystanders, but they were in the wrong place. MKs are "Colateral Damage". The generals sent the NTM troops into foreign lands to drop religon on the masses. But the MKs ended up in boarding school and a few of the Sergeants were a bit heavy with the discipline and a bit free with their hands and other bits of anatomy. The war may have been going well, but look at the "Colateral Damage". Time for OPERATION CLEANUP and a few court marshalls. Remember “The War on Terror” and the term “Colateral Damage”.
Let me refresh your memory, when you drop bombs on someone, say Al Quida or the Taliban, sometimes you miss and get women and children. To make it a bit more palatable to the public at home, you call it “Colateral Damage”, didn’t mean to get those innocent bystanders, but they were in the wrong place.
MKs are “Colateral Damage”. The generals sent the NTM troops into foreign lands to drop religon on the masses. But the MKs ended up in boarding school and a few of the Sergeants were a bit heavy with the discipline and a bit free with their hands and other bits of anatomy. The war may have been going well, but look at the “Colateral Damage”.
Time for OPERATION CLEANUP and a few court marshalls.

]]> By: NTM child http://fandaeagles.com/comment-page-7/#comment-114501 NTM child Sat, 22 Oct 2011 05:29:25 +0000 http://fandaeagles.com/?page_id=666#comment-114501 The NTM I grew up in wasn't too concerned about the MK's. Children got lost in the shuffle and were way down on the priority list. Parents were expected to sacrifice their own children in order to reach the lost and in the process many children here deeply hurt and families lost the close bond that families should have. When I read the comments here, I am often reminded of a saying a wise pastor at my church here in the U.S. has repeated time after time. "The only thing here on earth you can take to heaven with you is your family". In other words, your ministry to your own family is one of the most important things you can do so don't screw it up. Live, love, laugh, teach, pray, spend time together, encourage, so that they might see Christ in you and desire their own relationship with Him. The NTM I grew up in wasn’t too concerned about the MK’s. Children got lost in the shuffle and were way down on the priority list. Parents were expected to sacrifice their own children in order to reach the lost and in the process many children here deeply hurt and families lost the close bond that families should have. When I read the comments here, I am often reminded of a saying a wise pastor at my church here in the U.S. has repeated time after time. “The only thing here on earth you can take to heaven with you is your family”. In other words, your ministry to your own family is one of the most important things you can do so don’t screw it up. Live, love, laugh, teach, pray, spend time together, encourage, so that they might see Christ in you and desire their own relationship with Him.

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