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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:09 am 
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:) this is just wow


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Sherpa Dude posted this on the SOS...England, etc. thread:

"This is a special place. It is OK to vent. To rage. To ask very diverse and often disturbing questions. Some of us know ALL the answers!! Most of all, for me, it is a place of healing. Nobody is going to fire cannons! What are your stories? What will ever change if you won't tell them?"

Has it gone out of style to ask diverse and disturbing questions?
Is it no longer a special place to bring all your "whatever?"
Skepticism and realism have their places as does sound teaching. Why are we saying that everything is ok and everyone is welcome and then closing the door on what we don't like?
"Nobody is going to fire cannons." Well, you have just done that and it wasn't pretty.
We must tell our stories.
We must also understand the biblical basis rightly for dealing with this.
BTW--the words "judge" and "judgmental" are being thrown around here with abandon. It's like so many are afraid of those words and even more of "doing" them. What is the truth about them? How has our society twisted them?

Sorry for the "bite." No patience for fruitless buzzing today. What we are about here is too serious.


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MK in the USA on the Tambo Survivor's Reticence thread:

"Please keep posting, one thing many of us have learned on this forum is that even the opinions in opposition to ours help. They help us reflect or help us stand firm with our own convictions. This site can be what you make of it, whether or not NTM does the right thing or not, many need a place to come together after all the abuse that happened and I do believe this is that place for many."

"Help us reflect or
help us stand firm with our own convictions....
a place to come together after all the abuse that happened...."

I would say that those of us who have been abused CARE genuinely about the others here and about stopping future abuse. How could we not? We know what it feels like. ALL of us who have been abused know and care.

So, do we go on saying, "Please keep posting.........?"


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OT: How is the new job going?
Please come back! You are the master of multiple posts.
This is exhausting!


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@ mosquito bite.

i think people are speaking up for Andy's voice to be heard without constant harassment as well.

everybody's opinions are welcome, which necessarily means opinions about other people's opinions.

but, in some cases, it is not opinions about opinions that are being put forth. it is sarcastic or passive aggressive comments regarding the form rather than the substance.


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Are leg humping and axe grinding the same thing?


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Not recommended simultaneously.


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Thank you rroym. This is really good stuff. I'm learning a lot from reading it and appreciate you taking the time to put it here for us.


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rroym posted: What I am not allowed to do is tell you how to feel, think, or interpret your reality. You inturn are not allowed to do that to me if we want to (have) truly hear each other.

Thanks, rroym. It would be good if this applied to everyone. How can anyone think he/she can see into someone else's heart?

I'm glad you can say what your position is without having your heart evaluated by someone else.
And it is VERY true that the MK and the missionary positions, even if both have been abused, are SO different.


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