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I read your post Sunday & have not had time to respond. Anything I could say will seem paltry and piddling, but I have to tell you I can't get my mind wrapped around that kind of evil. It sits on my heart, squeezing the air out of my lungs and I can hardly breathe, let alone think about the tasks set before me. It is hard to think that I'm on the same planet, breathing the same air with that man. I'll do whatever I can to see him behind bars.

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old NTM vs. new NTM (is this off topic, Kari?)
(Notice: do NOT minimize NTM’s and especially men's responsibility to abused MKs here or anywhere on or off of this site, please)
Gene Long started a good thread on the spiritual dimensions of reformation. Perhaps we could use a separate thread to discuss reformation along non-spiritual lines (though spirituality should never be missing). “The old NTM hid child abuse, the new one calls 911 -- reformation done, right?” NOT! Reformation is an on-going goal for NTM, however, reaching it may not be the #1 priority and certainly is not urgent today. How teachable is NTM? Is now a teachable moment? What is the goal, anyway? How different is the state C (the goal) from state A (where NTM was at when it hid abuse), and where is NTM now (state B)?
Old NTM (state A)
1. Leadership has 100% agreement on all their decisions (which just MAY reach down to any level of detail into any member’s personal, private life, besides their public life and roles, including all internal roles, and especially any role external to the group)
2. The group seeks to do everything quietly with minimal dependence on any outside group.
3. Over-spiritualizes most things (submit or you are causing division)
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Current NTM (state B)
1. Top leadership are men, and members must submit to (the country’s national) leadership
2. No one seems to understand what all the fuss is about
3. What is leadership doing?
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New (reformed) NTM (state C)
What would this look like?
1. “Noisy” members are ok (with everybody, adults and kids, active in abuse prevention activities)
2. Re-invents significant parts itself every 4 years
3. Reviews support and management roles and responsibilities in a formalized way (institutionalized review, à la Daniel P. Freedman & Gerald M. Weinburg)
4. Authority / mandates are “given” to small, temporary service teams that “offer” over-lapping, competing, specialized “expert” assistance, and only for a limited time-period, before disbanding themselves, at their own discretion, to join other teams (à la Tom Peters & Peter Drucker)
5. Any team is responsible to recruit their own members.
6. There is reasonable overlap of roles (not top-down, “efficiency” driven)
7. Voting is spiritual and women are permitted in any leadership position.
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Could such an environment be helpful? Could that be NTM, still faithful to its core values (http://www.ntm.org/about/coreValues.php?page=Core%20Values)?
Would more men be interested jumping in with two feet into such an NTM?


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Dear Brothers,

Thank you so much for standing up and speaking out. It means soooo very much.

Rise up Warrior Men of God - You GO guys!!


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Where have all the Andys gone?
Long time passing.......
Where have the male protectors gone?
LONG TIME AGO.....
If ever.........


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