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 Post subject: Re: Investigation
PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 2:16 pm 
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If I remember right, Scott Ross was pushing for NTM to actively handle abuse allegations even before the Fanda issues became public. I sat in a couple sessions he taught to NTM personnel in either 2004 or 2005, where the focus of his modules were Child Protection. He was trying to work within the system to change the system. Could he have done more? In light of the past culture of NTM, I honestly don't know -- possibly so and possibly not. I have reason to believe that in the years since the GRACE report his desires toward that end has not changed. But I strongly suspect that he, too, has been shackled by NTM procedure... It is just possible that we actually have an ally who remains silent and works behind the scenes because of other constraints.


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ahem---ask Gene Long


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The idea of ntm gathering info thru ihart for their court cases and etc
Was brought up over and over again during the past 3 1/2 years.


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MB, I have read as much of Gene Long's story as he has made public.

It would be so much easier if everyone could be labeled as "completely good" or "completely bad" wouldn't it? But the reality of life is that almost nothing ever is. Life is just not that simple or straightforward. There is almost always more to the story that what one person provides (Prov 18.17 A man's side of the story sounds right until the other side is heard). If the whole picture could be seen, probably no one other than the victims are truly innocent -- everyone could have done more or done something differently. In fact, not even the abusers are completely vile personalities, as conflicting reports from the various MK's about any given individual make clear.

As I read back over what RAZ posted about the GRACE recommendations for Scott Ross, I see this: "NTM should acknowledge the work of Scott Ross in raising awareness of child abuse within NTM as well as his work in developing a child protection protocol within NTM. At the same time, Scott Ross failed to adequately investigate and respond to the Fanda abuse scandal. Several MKs expressed a lack of confidence in Scott Ross's ability to handle this matter for the future. Accordingly, GRACE recommends Scott Ross be permanently removed from any and all work and/or responsibilities relating to any form of child abuse matters within New Tribes Mission."

I'll paraphrase: #1 Scott Ross DID endeavor to promote child protection. #2 He could have done more. #3 Some MK's lack confidence in Scott Ross for the future. #4 The removal of Scott Ross is a vote of "no confidence," not than "he's out to baffle the investigations."


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Scott Ross was definitely defending ntm and
terrorizing the Long family----that could be considered protecting
ntm-----which was his job.
Maybe the job description did not include the members of ntm?
They did not need to be protected or considered.
Even tho ntm cannot function without members.


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Yes, life is confusing at times.


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