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I think we know how most Tribers would respond.

I think that may be why none of us wanted to participate in the poll.

O.K. then lets turn the tables:

Poll for current NTM members and ex members who still believe in the ideals of NTM:

1) Do you believe that the reports of abuse are exaggerated or lies.

2) Do you believe NTM leadership is handling the reports of abuse appropriately.

3) Are you actively involved in helping the victims of abuse, especially those MKs who you knew.

4) Do you even care.

Put your helmet on, do up your seatbelt, take out a good life insurance policy and prepare for the wildest roller coaster ride you will ever experience. You will go from the depths of seeing human depravity, to the exhilaration of seeing some set free and every lump, bump and emotion inbetween.

And if at the end of the ride, at whatever point you tumble off, if you hug your kids and vow that no one will ever do to them what you have seen on the roller coaster of Fanda Eagles and if they even so much as dare to try that you will deal with them so severely, then the whole world will know that you are a real man who loves his family.
If you can take what you learn and do it for a friends kids and show your friend what you have learnt, then the world will know you have a voice.
But if you go beyond the call of duty and do it for a strangers kids, no matter what your faith, or colour, or income, or occupation e.t.c., then some day in a little corner of the world you may not have even heard of, a child might pray and thank their God that someone somewhere made the world a better place for kids like them.

Raz, I think I have been pretty clear in past posts that I don't put leaders on pedestals. They can fall, they do fall, and some (in my opinion) are living fallen. When I first began my post it read NO NO YES YES. And then I went back and changed it. Why? Because these issues are so complicated that a simple Yes or No cannot be the final answer. You know that from having to discipline your children in the past. If you always take one child's perspective as totally accurate, you will ultimately lose the confidence of the other(s). There is almost always the need to sort out the events and effects, and determine consequences and extents of liability.

Someone told me recently that both NTM and the survivors are pretty well entrenched, and I think that was a very accurate statement. Nobody here has dared to suggest that Gary Earl might actually have been speaking truth when he wrote that apology letter because it is just too far outside the trench. And nobody on here seems to think that NTM can or will ever change for the same reason.

I am being taught by MK abuse survivors, but I won't blindly accept everything that is being proclaimed. And so I stand by my answer. I will not paint individuals at NTM with the same brush any more than I will do so for the survivors on this site.

The beauty of this forum is that we can speak about our diverse experiences and backgrounds that formulate our positions and ideas. The fact that we can have discussions, rants, tears, joy, frustration is a good thing. If we all agreed, this would quickly become a boring site, or like facebook where one is subjected to the edited highlights of other people lives and wondering why ones own is not that exciting (note to anyone not aware, Bemused is not a fan of Facebook )

Hard questions have been asked and Paul to his credit has kindly offered his opinions/answers. For me that is a breath of fresh air, because I'm used to getting no reply to questions.
I'm sure much of the opinions I express on here raises a few eyebrows at times, but I have been graciously accepted as being a part of the solution, despite my strange way of looking at the world.

We are free to speak our minds, to tell our stories, to offer divergent points of view. In much of the world that is a luxury that does not exist. And although we may disagree with each other as we find our way through our individual journeys, we are still very fortunate to have the freedom to disagree and not be afraid to do so.