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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:16 pm 
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Pamela, the work detail references got a little hard to follow, for a non New Triber. Some posters were referring to work detail that they were assigned as children at boarding school. But some of us (like me) were actually talking about the daily work detail that was assigned to us as adults, as a part of the NTM training to become missionaries. Many of us were in the training for 3-4 years. In some phases of the training, the work detail requirement was every afternoon, all afternoon long. Some of the jobs were necessary cleaning or maintenance duties, but many often felt contrived and humiliating. Looking back, I think some of it was planned purposely to break our wills and get us to be compliant. We were expected to obey all orders without question.

They called it "Boot Camp" on purpose.


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Oh, my. I knew about NTM Boot Camp but I didn't have a clue. I thought it was physical exercise and schooling to give the future missionary training to fit into the life of the indigenous culture and to be able to keep up with the indigenous people. I understand you would have chores but now that I know a little more about NTM I am appalled but yet not surprised they would embarrass and humiliate. Seems the generation we older ones came from were like sheep going to the slaughter. When we went with ABWE they said jump and we jumped. Funny though (not ha, ha funny), they made sure we exposed the fact we were independent missionaries and when we did our taxes we were considered self employed and yet they were our boss. I have no trouble with accountability but it went further than that. It was called group thinking. Full stop.


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I remember as a ten year old arriving in boot camp in Australia and thinking why are these people subjecting themselves to this. We'd gone from a nice middle class suburban environment to a complete dump. Oh the staff lived in nice places, but the student families were crammed into little hovels. There was no water, no toilets, the walls didn't even reach the ceiling. Then there were the raids, where the staff would go through students houses looking for "illegal" reading material. People left, but they were labeled "quiters" and were not as dedicated to the cause as those who stayed.
I just couldn't get into the group think and it was beyond me why my parents stuck with it. But they did, as did many others. And soon enough they were spouting the same mantras and doing what had been done to break them, to the next lot of suckers who arrived. And of course they were taught that they had to break their kids wills, by whatever means possible, all of course to be more like Him. Total rubbish, but it seemed as though I was the only one who could see that this was some sort of weird cultish group.
It carried on, on the field. No one dared question the wisdom of the leaders and to quit was to be a total failure. And while the majority were to busy trying to tow the line, the paedophiles were expoiting the environment for all they were worth. All as they had to do was utter the right mantras and no one would believe what they were really up to. And there were paedophiles everywhere, only the tip of the iceberg has been uncovered is my suspicion, because far to many are still to loyal to the cause or their old friends or families that their family has married into.
And still the old mantras are coming out, "you are ruining someones ministry" or "the incidence of sexual offending is lower than what it is in normal U.S. society". Both of which can be negated with the simple fact, sexual abuse of a child is a serious crime, so is beating them. But the gullible want to believe this nonsense, because it suits them to keep pandoras box from being thrown open and seeing this for what it really is.

Years latter in the 90's my parents received a letter from NTM Australia, which had come from Sanford, admitting they had taken much of their training techniques from U.S. military manuals. Techniques that turn men into machines that will blindly follow orders so that on the battlefield they are reliable. Techniques not designed for innocent kids. Of course my parents tried to stop me finding out about that letter, because the last thing they wanted was to have to admit that all those years I was pretty spot on. So they choose to cover up for a mission that had torn our family apart, stolen their home, lied about a jailed paedophile and then spat them out. But why?????

My mother was sucked in, she was broken and did what she was told. My father is a completely different kettle of fish, he was busy shouting "yes take me, because this is the sort of power I want" and he sold his own family for 40 pieces of silver and his own ego.

NTM is a cult!!!!!


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I'm looking for a "puke" face here in these icons. There isn't one....but this is how I feel....really, really sick about it!!!


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Yes! After long and careful deliberation I think NTM is a cult.

We have an organisation with a lot of members (many good well meaning folk), who are controlled by a few. It is the nature of the control that worries me and when it is traced back it begins on entering with the breaking down of freewill, under the guise of a religious calling.

The Child abuse problem is serious, yet it doesn't seem to be sinking in, which means that the average Triber is either seriously thick or cannot see that there is a serious problem. Obviously the former is not true, which leaves the later. So then the problem is the information about the gravity of the problem is being hidden from the average member and/or they have been told how to react, which is to carry on and hope it will all go away. Either way this is cult mentality and the later is wishful thinking.

Then throw into the equation the Crossview problem, where one group seems to be trying to deny it's connection with NTM and issuing threats to anyone who says otherwise. Also those who vocally claim that there was no child abuse is disturbing as is such statements that seem to justify the level of abuse because it is lower than some obscure average. The latter statement is offensive, because if one is a Kiwi MK the chances of being seriously abused in ones time as an MK in NTM is far higher than the national average. There should have been a zero rate of child abuse and any hint of such should have been sorted out so fast and thoroughly that all would have been left in no doubt that NTM really cared for the children in its care. Alas we have the oppposite, cover ups, evasion, blaming inadequate laws e.t.c. anything but making a genuine effort to achieve justice.

Yes it is in my mind a cult, the proof is all around me and all that is around me are broken lives, broken families and people who will do anything to stop the truth ever seeing the light of day. A genuine loving caring religious group would never have anything like the level of mess on it's conscience, but then has NTM ever had a conscience?


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NEWSFLASH

The Prime Minister of New Zealand, Mr Bemused Eagle, today offered the fugitive U.S. secrets leaker Mr Eric Snowden refuge in New Zealand. Stating that there was no intelligence in New Zealand to leak, so he posed no threat.

However Mr Eric Snowden has declined the kind offer and announced he is going to become an NTM missionary in Australia and then he will just disappear overnight, never to be heard of again!!!!!

The President of America, President Obama was quoted as saying:

We will seek him here
We will seek him there
But if he becomes an Australian
He may just disappear


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:lol:

Oh my! This has got to be one of your wittiest posts yet! Brilliant!

:lol: (Plus more!)


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Oh such good taste in humour, the cheek is in the mail.

I see that he has now been offered asylum in Nicaragua and Venezuela as well as been proposed to by a Russian spy on twitter. He's probably thinking Kiwiland is sounding pretty good about now :lol: . I'll let you know if I see him in lycra shorts with a dog on the back of his bike.

Hope he doesn't use the same travel agency as NTM, he might end up in New Guinea not New Zealand and then Venezuela would look like a good option.


http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/8 ... tten-spies
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/8 ... -Venezuela


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Here's something really bizzare. Just having a look at the story of the plane crash at San Francisco.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/8888583/Ai ... -Francisco

But have a look in the right hand column at the opinion poll.

42% of Kiwis are concerned that the U.S. is spying on them. That's amazing, I thought it was just me who was paranoid down here :lol:

Believe me, there is nothing down here worth spying on, we got no secrets and we ain't got Eric Snowden, he he.


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