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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:04 am 
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I guess we have to agree to disagree Pamela if that's OK with you. Are you an abuse victim or a parent or sibling?


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Tuti Hess,

Your reply is not what I was expecting but yes I definitely agree to disagree. I am a nobody but my heart bleeds for what happened to all these people and I truly believe NTM will never correct it properly and they will continue to be self preserving. I pray I am totally wrong. As far as my comments I try not to abuse anybody but I am straight forward in my replies. I hope I learned many years ago to attack the problem not the person but sometimes they seem to me to be one of the same. If only NTM would have applied the principle of keeping current we could only think of how much different many lives would be today. We who are Christian know we should always do right and no we don't always but to allow sin to reign and then to go down as heroes of the faith makes me wonder about the leadership of any organization. How can we care for those in the world who are unsaved (the tribes for instance) if we don't even care about those around us? If these stories are true (and I believe they are as there is much evidence) then why weren't the souls of these children just as important as the souls of the tribes? I am not asking you this personally, I am just thinking out loud. It appears many who voice on this forum appreciate your voice even though you are a part of NTM and they don't always agree with you. Maybe you are the one who can bring an end to all this as I believe it will have to be from the inside out.


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Tuti Hess,

One more thing, seems my age keeps me from gathering my thoughts all at once. I do accept your sorry and that is not saying you can't comment what is on your heart as well as I can comment what is on mine. If we were all so quick to say sorry (forgive me) as you did what difference Christianity would be. My only thing was I felt you were misreading what I was saying, that's all. My husband did say maybe I should have said money and not precious money and I have to agree with him. Full stop.


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How are we all doing tonight???


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[/quote]It is not fair that people who were not part of the abuse are paying for this investigation. But then it was not fair to the MKs that they were abused in the first place. I am not implying that MKs should just be quiet and “leave it in God’s hands”. I am sure there are various motivations, but ultimately they have done a good and brave thing by bringing this into the light. I challenge you and NTM to do a good and brave thing as well by accepting the consequences and proactively showing compassion for those who were hurt under NTM’s watch.

Please keep in mind also that some of the MKs don’t even claim to be interested in God or Christianity, for good reason! NTM on the other hand claims to be ambassadors for God. So whose responses should be more long-suffering?


From my personal experience, I questioned the sanity of my parents decision to enter NTM from year one. The training camp was an odd place and the theology seemed misguided to say the least, bit like a covert operation gone wrong. My parents had a "road to Damascus" experience when I was 5 and then found the "road to NTM" when I was 10. The "road to Damascus" struck me as a bit daft, but their decision and the people they encountered seemed to be genuine religous sorts, but the "road to NTM" was more than daft, it had some very strange sorts going in strange directions. What struck me was odd, was the going over and over the same thing, the hours spent haveing what really was a simple message from God, expanded on, regurgitated and drilled into me. I'm not really that thick, just once or twice would have sufficed then let me get on with something practical like putting food on the table. Funny how we were told that Communism (or Marxism) used the method of repeating the lie often so that it would become the truth and Communism was a definite no no! But wait a minute, wasn't that technique being used, just mixing it with a bit of truth, so I was confused and the best way I found to cope was opt out of as much as I could and isolate myself, theologically, till I could escape back home. When eventually I got back home I found the whole Church scene did nothing but confuse me more and it all seemed so fake, so I exponged my guilt and never went back. What I believe in remains my own business and I feel no compulsion to ram it down others throats.
This whole sorry ephisode has ruined our family structure. My father to this day maintains his dogmatic support of NTM and denies any wrong occured. My mother is just a shadow of my father and does what she is told. I've been disowned for my lack of convictions and/or participation and have almost no contact with them. My extended family think my father is nuts and a dangerous mind controller (agree with that one).
There is a remote possibility that my father will end being investigated, but I suspect he had no part in the goings on, except he was there. I will cross that bridge if it occurs, but not as a vendetta, just to get the truth out.
I did come across a list on this site of transgressors (but can't find it now) and the names I recognised were all to familiar demons from my past too.
Unlike the Dyslexic Agnostic who lay awake at night wondering if there was a DOG, I'm comfortable enough with life to get sleep most nights.


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Bemused, your memories and impressions are very relevant and helpful here. Thanks for posting. Many of us are still processing how we once lived and what we once believed.

Your voice is appreciated here.


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Thank you for your kind comments. I found laughter the best medicine (not an advert for Readers Digest), it was obvious there were a few nutbars in the Sunday School picnic and as long as one didn't get caught rolling in the aisles with uncontrollable mirth, it worked a treat. It just kept a lid on the sanity enough till I "escaped".
Of course I realise that sexual abuse is no laughing matter and must be dealt with seriously and firmly (won't say swiftly, 30 years is snails pace and inexcusable).
If I can make someones journey a little lighter with my ramblings, then ramble it is.


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This is my life, my family. My family has been torn apart ever since NTM. don't talk to many in my family. So just sign Kyle J Yunker on this as it is also my life. Thank for putting into words what I cant seem to do.[/quote]

You're welcome. Quite theraputic knowing that someone else has had similar experiences. Wonder if there will be a few NTMers epitaphs that will read "I served the Son of God, but my god I lost my son".


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