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Thank you for the many e-mails and the info that has flowed in the last 24 hours. The speed at which we have got the information we needed is unbelievable.
So far not one negative message, the overwhelming sentiment expressed is "go for it, do what ever it takes and can I help".
Taking into consideration some of the requests I have had, I am more than happy to pass on to the Australian media (it has to be the Australian media, trust me on this one, there is a very good reason for this), the names of any other offender. If we can get the names of anyone who committed rape, that would be our best avenue. Sexual offending is what the media will most want to go for (sorry Spiritual abuse won't do it, we will be dealing with the secular media, not the Timbucktoo Christian local weekly magazine).
I realise that for some people, emailing personal details to some balding unknown bloke from downunder might be a bit threatening, especially when he is working anonymously to most of you. But if you prefer to deal with a U.S. female citizen I'm pretty sure someone who has been helping me enormously will kindly act on your behalf. I'm just checking that option currently. I really don't need to know all your details (please don't take that as being I'm not interested), but what I do need to know is that when this gets going you are ready to tell your stories with facts and dates e.t.c. to those that will investigate this properly. Having several repositories for information also is a safeguard in case for some reason I become incapacitated, such as by computer failure or natural disaster (and I know about those of late).

Any questions, please feel free to ask.

Bemused

Just a couple of more things that will help us. We have some "dear friends" who we would really like to know the whereabouts of and we seem to have lost contact. If anyone knows if our "dear friends" are still alive and where they are we would be ever so grateful:

Richard Hine from the U.K.
Les Emory
Mark Ertl
and
Dave McLaren (especially)

Also does anyone know if NTM has dismissed or investigated any member for child porn activities (not adult porn, it isn't an offence), don't need names, just a definite yes. The more recent the better, because then the investigation comes into recent history and will suggest that offending is still going on. And if there is a whiff this is happening, use your immagination as to what questions will be asked and by who.

You might want to move this into a different topic.

Joel Price plead guilty to child porn charges around the beginning of 2009 and was sentenced to a little over five years.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2008-12-27/news/missionary27_1_child-pornography-tribes-investigation

and on this site: http://fandaeagles.com/2009/07/ntm-and-child-porn/

Also, George Goolde was convicted and sentenced to 50 years for child abuse and molestation.

Brilliant. This really helps. Will try and get this into a new topic, think you are right.

I am sorely tempted to renew some of my earlier observations on this thread. My dear friends and readers can spare me (not to say themselves!) that little hassle by a quick review on your own!

While I am keeping this thread deadly serious, I want to bring out another area of weak, deviant and/ or delusional theology that I believe has contributed to the sorry condition of NTM to this present hour. I ask for your help...

What I refer to is "Theology by Slogan." It is the case in every single discipline in the world that certain shortcuts are taken to avoid having to repeatedly speak volumes every time a certain subject comes up. Computer jargon, which I found very intimidating the first time it rolled over me, is quite easy to master on a very rudimentary level. Data, programs, paste, highlight.... These mean nothing to the uninitiated. But, once you catch on, there is no need to explain every single word every time.

All that to say this: It's fine to use jargon. In fact, the Bible uses it a lot. An obvious example is "the cross" which does not refer only to the physical implement of execution.

The rub comes when people play fast and loose with the Word and come up with their own slogans, many of which are unintelligible to "outsiders."

Here is an example of what I mean: "God is more interested in what He can do in you than He is in what He can do through you."

Whatever element of truth is in that statement got lost in the application. Case in point: Frank Parker and NTM's desire not to ruin his ministry.

Next....

Boy, you said it, Gene!
It is just as hard to read the 2nd time as the 1st.
Too many painful memories come back...regarding us and others.
Yes, it happened that way.
There was no way out.
And you were left wondering, "Where is the Bible in all this?"
It wasn't.

Leaders in NTM, Inc. are not spiritual leaders as presented in the Bible. In other words, they are not elders, bishops, deacons, pastors or any other church office found in the Bible. Moreover, to arrogate to themselves the honor, duties or prerogatives of such dishonors the Lord and gives rise to unnecessary confusion, discord and conflict.

IT WAS UNNECESSARY!
ALL THAT WE WENT THRU SHOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED!
AND THAT HAS BEEN SAID BEFORE.
ALL THAT THE MKs WENT THRU NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED WITH SUCH "godly"
"leaders" WHO KNEW THE BIBLE SO WELL.
SOME CLASSES WE TOOK WERE JUST ONE BIBLE VERSE AFTER ANOTHER.
PRAISE GOD FOR THOSE WHO APPLIED THOSE VERSES AND LIVED BY THEM.
SHAME, SHAME ON THOSE WHO TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THEIR POSITION
AND OF OTHERS!!!