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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:12 pm 
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Raz wrote:
I just saw that new "campaign", Bemused, and clicked on the NBI site to see all the posts (and there are MANY!).

Yes, I just had to shake my head at the misguidedness of this attempt.

Once again, no research. Anyone who knows anything about the very long, often uncomfortable history of Philippine-American relations would know that this is NOT a good idea, and that it will do more harm than good for Tom Randall.

A pretty dumb stunt. I don't even know what else to say.

Sheesh.


It's a very dumb thing to do. It could be viewed as an attempt to pervert the course of justice, the ramifications of which would not do Tom Randall's cause any good.
It could well also upset relations between the U.S. and the Philippines and I suspect if pushed into making a choice the U.S. government would opt to maintain a healthy relationship with it's ally, than to wade in and make waves that could erode it's relationship.
This could then make the matter a test case, where if there is a guilty verdict, the full force of the law is thrown and the U.S. government will wish to be seen doing the right diplomatic course of action and offer little solace.

My advise is to tread very warily, for as the wise Mrs Bemused pointed out, all posts on Facebook can be viewed by eyes far more powerful than any of us and those eyes could well be watching who is saying and supporting what.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:26 am 
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My Dear Raz,

It think we are being watched. Just after the above posts were posted the "Free Tom Randall" website has been changed. No longer is it click and send a message to the NBI, now the messages are going to the U.S. Embassy in Manila.

Can't find the post that says "And a big thanks to Raz and Bemused for their words of wisdom and moderation", but I'm sure the cheque is in the mail :shock: .

I wonder what the U.S. Embassy is making of all the messages?

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Action Request: Tom's hearing should be within the next 48 hours. Please visit https://www.facebook.com/manila.usembassy and give them the simple message. #FreeTomRandall


All very interesting, me thinks.


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Today is Holocaust Remembrance Day.

Today souls of kids are being murdered by evil men who hide in churches and missions. And they are being defended by the incredibly naïve and stupid!!!!
For God's sake, get these men out of the Churches and Missions and before the courts before they do any more damage. This is the Holocaust of Christianity and it is a total disgrace. And websites like Free Tom are a disgrace, let's have the facts out in court first. Where is the support for those poor children who have lost their home because of this? Nowhere!!!! Because they are not famous, or rich or look like most of us.

This is our Holocaust and far to many are doing nothing about it!!!!!!


Holocaust (sacrifice)
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"Burnt offering" redirects here. For other uses, see Burnt offering (disambiguation).
For other uses, see Holocaust (disambiguation).



A holocaust is a religious animal sacrifice that is completely consumed by fire. The word derives from the Ancient Greek holocaustos (ὁλόκαυστος from ὅλος "whole" and καυστός "burnt"), which is used solely for one of the major forms of sacrifice.



Holokautein (ὁλοκαυτεῖν) was one of the two chief verbs of Greek sacrifice, in which the victim is utterly destroyed and burnt up, as opposed to thyesthai (θύεσθαι), to share a meal with the god and one's fellow worshippers, commensal sacrifice. In the latter, the edible parts of the sacrificed animal were roasted and distributed for festive celebration, whereas the inedible parts were burned on the altar, those being the god's share. Although not actually obliged to do so, Greeks would rather sacrifice a domestic animal to a god or hero and then proceed to use its flesh as food, as animals were thought of as sharing in the sanctity of life - in addition to their secular usefulness (milk, eggs, ploughing). This did not apply to game, fish, and other seafood, which formed a far larger proportion of the diet then than they do today - fish was the major foodstuff sold in ancient Greek marketplaces. A sacrifice need not be a public function involving priests and altars; they could also be held privately, domestically or individually.
These are the two ideal types of Greek sacrificial ritual; they are appropriate to different divinities, done for different purposes, and conducted by different methods. Holocausts are apotropaic rituals, intended to appease the spirits of the Underworld, including the Greek heroes, who are spirits of the dead; they are also given to malign powers, such as the Keres and Hecate. One of the earliest attested holocausts was Xenophon's offering of pigs to Zeus Meilichius.[1]
Holocausts are conducted at night, without wine, and offer black-hided animals at a low altar, with their heads directed downwards; in all these they are opposed to the commensal sacrifice given to the Olympian gods. (This distinction is between extreme types, and was somewhat exaggerated in the early twentieth century, as by Jane Harrison; considerable evidence has been also been found of commensal sacrifice offered to heroes.)[2]
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Main article: Korban Olah
When the Hebrew Bible was translated into Greek, as the Septuagint, the translators used the Greek term to translate the "burnt offering" in Ancient Israel.[3][4] A "burnt offering" (Hebrew: עלה‎, `olah - from the verb "to cause to ascend," hence "burn") is a type of Biblical sacrifice, specifically an animal sacrifice in which the entire sacrifice is completely burnt, consumed totally by fire. The term "burnt offering" derives from the Septuagint translation, itself deriving from the Biblical phrase "an offering made by fire", which occurs in the description (Leviticus 1) of the offering.[5] This form of sacrifice, in which no meat was left over for anyone, was seen as the greatest form of sacrifice[5] and was the form of sacrifice permitted by Judaism to be given at the Temple by Jews and non-Jews.[5]
The whole offering is believed to have evolved as an extreme form of the slaughter offering, whereby the portion allocated to the deity increased to all of it.[5] In slaughter offerings, the portion allocated to the deity was mainly the fat, the part which can most easily be burnt (fat is quite combustible); scholars believe it was felt that the deity, being aethereal, would appreciate aethereal food more than solid food—the burning of the fatty parts of animals being to produce smoke as a sweet savour for the deity.[5]
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The animals, having first been checked to ensure they were free from disease and unblemished (a requirement of the sacrifice), were brought to the north side of the altar, and killed by either the offerer, or a priest. The animal's blood was carefully collected by priests and sprinkled around the altar. Unless the animal was a bird, its corpse was flayed, the skin given to the priest (who was permitted to keep it). In later times more powerful priests forcibly took possession of the skins from the lesser priests, and it was decreed that the skins should be sold, with the proceeds being given to the Temple in Jerusalem (Tosefta 19) The flesh of the animal was divided according to detailed instructions given by the Talmud (Tamid 31), and would then be placed on the wood on the altar (which was constantly on fire due the large number of sacrifices carried out daily), and slowly burnt. After the flesh (including any horns and goats' beards) had been reduced to ashes, usually the following morning, the ashes were taken by the priest to a ritually clean location outside the sanctuary, and dumped there.[5][need quotation to verify]
Most biblical scholars now agree that the intricate details of the whole offering, particularly the types and number of animals on occasion of various feast days, given by the Torah, were of a late origin, as were the intricate directions given in the Talmud.[5] Whole offerings were quite rare in early times, but as the ritual became more fixed and statutory, and the concentration of sacrifice into a single sanctuary (particularly after Josiah's reform) made sacrifices quite distinct from simply killing animals for food, whole offerings gradually rose to great prominence.[5]


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:53 am 
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I think I have said this before but will put it in print again. We, the children of misled, blinded, indoctrinated missionaries, were in effect "burnt offerings" to a god of the mission organizations making. God - in heaven - creator of the universe - despised the sacrifice of children in fire to Moloch [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloch].


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:22 pm 
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Bemused wrote:
My Dear Raz,

It think we are being watched. Just after the above posts were posted the "Free Tom Randall" website has been changed. No longer is it click and send a message to the NBI, now the messages are going to the U.S. Embassy in Manila.

Can't find the post that says "And a big thanks to Raz and Bemused for their words of wisdom and moderation", but I'm sure the cheque is in the mail :shock: .

I wonder what the U.S. Embassy is making of all the messages?

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Action Request: Tom's hearing should be within the next 48 hours. Please visit https://www.facebook.com/manila.usembassy and give them the simple message. #FreeTomRandall


All very interesting, me thinks.


Finally there is a post about the children.


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Pardon me for noting that our prayers should be directed towards TRUTH being revealed and JUSTICE prevailing. Our prayers should be directed towards the CHILDREN who are behind the complaints, for their healing. Because no matter who did what, and when, something happened at some points in the girl's lives for them to be in the position they are now in. Do we know that something did or did not happen at the orphanage? No. Do we know if it was b4 their time in the orphanage? No. *But clearly they are troubled* and should be held up in prayer. If they really were molested then they are troubled. If they weren't ever molested they are still clearly troubled. The bottom line is that no-one but GOD knows the full truth and we should be praying that The Truth be revealed. And for the children caught up in this horrible mess. Too often the Christian Community rushes to invalidate the reports of sexual impropriety without even really knowing The Truth. As for me, I continue to marvel at how God uses Tom in even the most dire of situations. And for this I rejoice.


Yes Amy Rose, it is about the children and whatever happened, the truth needs to be found. Well said.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:16 pm 
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Wonder if someone with a better brain than my humble ancient thing can do something for me.

The above post by Amy Rose, seems to have disappeared. Can anyone else see it, or am I right and it has mysteriously disappeared. If I'm right, so much for free speech, genuine concern and loving children.


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Hmm ... I don't see the Amy Rose comment anymore ... is it still there?

I have noticed that when opposing points of view pop up on the Free Tom Randall Facebook page, they don't stay there very long. Whoever is moderating that site wants everyone to be on the same page of music, singing in harmony.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:23 pm 
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Here you go Bemused...


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Pardon me for noting that our prayers should be directed towards TRUTH being revealed and JUSTICE prevailing. Our prayers should be directed towards the CHILDREN who are behind the complaints, for their healing. Because no matter who did what, and when, something happened at some points in the girl's lives for them to be in the position they are now in. Do we know that something did or did not happen at the orphanage? No. Do we know if it was b4 their time in the orphanage? No. *But clearly they are troubled* and should be held up in prayer. If they really were molested then they are troubled. If they weren't ever molested they are still clearly troubled. The bottom line is that no-one but GOD knows the full truth and we should be praying that The Truth be revealed. And for the children caught up in this horrible mess. Too often the Christian Community rushes to invalidate the reports of sexual impropriety without even really knowing The Truth. As for me, I continue to marvel at how God uses Tom in even the most dire of situations. And for this I rejoice.


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O.k. oh wise one, where was it hiding? Told you I wasn't that smurt.

P.s. nice to see you back. We've tried to do a bit of poetry while you've been sunning yourself on a beach somewhere, but to be honest it just wasn't the same without you. :D


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maybe this is not the right one, sorry :(


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