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Sorry for monopolizing. Been away from home and my computer for a couple days...

geminale - I just have to say that you have put my recent thoughts on this whole process into words in a much better way that I could myself.

I'm convinced that the reason they haven't continued with GRACE is that they had no control.

In communicating with Pat, NTM will also HAVE NO SAY IN THE INVESTIGATION. Pat and her investigators will investigate every one mentioned and it will be "HANDS OFF TO ANY NEW TRIBER" So if GRACE was a lose cannon, then Pat should be a much bigger cannon as she builds teams for all the schools.

Any independent investigation, except for one that involves subpoena power, would likely not be as effective as an "independent investigation" with cooperation from NTO (a hybrid, if you will). My point is that NTO is "voluntarily" submitting to these investigations and much of the initial information (list of all former missionaries, MKs, personnel files, etc.) must be voluntarily handed over.

So, ANY investigation, whether totally independent, partially independent, or not independent at all, will likely only be as effective as NTO wants it to be, because NTO controls a large volume of relevant information.

Unfortunately, I think it is a wait and see scenario - but there will be hell to pay unless NTO gets it right.

I, for one, believe that NTM has failed once again in not staying with GRACE. I also know from very reliable sources that Boz and Dianne Langberg did not charge NTM one dollar for their professional services. GRACE did charge NTM for the work of their assistants and for travel expenses. Anyone who believes the reason for changing investigators is financial is simply wrong. The Fanda Eagles had the best – prosecutors who have prosecuted numerous sexual abuse cases. Dianne Langberg, professional PhD therapist who has counseled many abused victims.

Anyone with any smarts can see why they changed course. The mission was exposed. The system was exposed. The cover-up was dealt with for the evil it is. NTM is incestuous and I think if any of us knew the extent of all the leaders that have been abused, are related to someone abused, have abused others we would demand that NTM no longer exist. This isn’t vindictive or disgruntled. This is fact.

You can like Pat Hendrix all you want. She is undoubtedly a fine person. She cannot compare to work the GRACE completed and everyone knows it. If Pat Hendrix is someone with integrity, she knows it too.

Come clean NTM. If GRACE was used to investigate all the other fields NTM would have to disband. Many in NTM would have to flounder around and try to find jobs in the real world or in another mission. They might find out they are not the superior mission they so like to think of themselves. Other mission boards have requirements most NTM personnel cannot meet.

The sorriest thing is looking at the various fields NTM has worked on for years and years. How are their churches doing? On some fields the growth of the church and maturity of the believers has been abysmal to say the least. Yet, NTM missionaries have the gall to look down on other Christian organizations.

It is simply too bad there aren’t survivors of abuse from all the other fields driving the further investigations and demanding GRACE.

Ornery and Interested, I am going to post this on my facbook page right now. It would be great if others could do the same, if they feel comfortable. Everyone on my facbook page knows I don't give a crap about how I come off, since most of them are family anyway.

I suspect Interested just hit a pretty big nail squarely on its head.