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Can someone tell me how it went when you as the missionaries received Churches or people as donors? Straight to you? To NTM then to you? What if you ddint receive donations? NTM pay and then deduct next time someone donated? Was there a contract or guarantee or statement of how donations were disbursed? A receipt or record sent to Donors with detail of how family was paid with their donations? ie food, clothing, school books, training, travel, tools for building or planting or giving care to natives as a witness and way to gain trust and then testimony and save souls? Toys, bikes and Ammerican standard emergency care and if not funds for life flight to US or country of citizenship? Regular checkups (dental, eye, physical, shots) for growing children?

I can't stop thinking about this today as I spend all day in horrible physical pain in my ears (ongoing for a month), inability to focus and watch my own daughter play in a basketball tournie today and yesterday almost going to hospital my kidneys hurt so bad I felt them burning inside. All ailments from this acronym system from trauma of anuse: PTSD and offspring!
I CANNOT do this waiting game anymore. I am READY for some healthcare and sight fixed, no more pain in body, kidneys and intestines that work. I have endured enough NO MORE.
So I am going to as usual go make it happen anyway I can for me (legally of course!)

mk chame, We were not with NTM but we were with ABWE, a very similar mission organisation. I have to tell you the churches will take up for the mission board and that is basically the end of the story. If there is dissention between the missionary or the mission board, the mission board will win. The churches are programmed that way. From my understanding the reason the mission board can take all from the missionary is because it is the mission board that is the charitable organisation not the missionary. Therefore, everything that comes in for the missionary actually belongs to the mission board. Yes, the missionary does all the work in gathering the support but it still belongs to the mission board. I am not for sure of all these statements but I think I am close in the assessment if not entirely correct. Full stop.

mk chame, To continue at least in the case of ABWE the support was nominated by the board as to how much you had to raise. It was then catageorised, so much for living, so much for housing, so much for children (that dissipated when the children left home), so much for furlough, so much for the mission board maintenance, so much for insurance, so much for retirement (you would get $10 a month for every year you served upon retirement), so much for work funds (what you spent on the field for your own ministry). Anything left after this was distributed was then kept in your account and called over support. You could use the over support for various things but it had to be approved by the mission treasurer. I could tell you plenty about ABWE but at the end of the day I am not for sure if the same story applies to NTM but I would think it would be close. I hope this has helped some. Full stop.

CULT CULT CULTS!!!

100 percent organizations set up to control, bully, overpower and brainwash it's members and I see this view towards everything owned by missionaries becomes the Mission Organizations property as the missionary signed up for this to serve God.....including YOUR OWN CHILDREN!!!

My father is considered a genius since the age of six. A leader and innovator is his field since I can remember. Came from a loving home and a heritage of the same smarts and loving homes. SO WHAT DID NTM SAY TO HIM to convince hi that allowing an organization to own your kids and take everything you own, worked for and your own parents work for to give you and only your family. UGHHHHHH

I know I have mental issues, have been abused to believe I am not worthy, I am damaged, not of God and all the other crap this man told me and sometimes I am blinded by anger BUT and I promise this is always been a concept for me to understand since 5 yrs old when my parents joined NTM.

When I was told that hot day in St Pete FL that our family was going to go into jungles and preach the word of God with this amazing team of Godly people who would take care of us. PROMISE, PINKY SWEAR.......I thought and said out loud (a mechanical glitch and future discarded object by NTM as I didn't fit in. Children are to be seen (hmmmm and touched) but not heard so we can touch them!!

"They can't be nice people if they are making me give up my toys and go into a jungle without them" "Daddy I will stay here with Grammi and Grandpi and save souls to God in the malls"

After my many points I made that hot day and no way were Mom and Dad listening (and at 5 I had very good points including what about my friends, schools, if I get sick in the jungle, tigers can get me, what if the tribal people didn't want us there then what, how am I going to make friends in the jungle if I can't speak how they speak and how is my blankie going to stay clean in the jungle)

I remember getting so frustrated and my brothers and sisters were just listening, I think in shock and maybe didn't believe them. I told them I hated them for ruining my life and ran into the house.

They should have listened to me....oh how they should have known that stupid saying about children being seen not heard was made up by drunks, abusers, druggies, incapable and selfish PARENTS or ADULTS to do all the things listed without us telling or making them feel guilty. DUH!!!


As with any pyramid scheme, fraud scheme , abuser preying on his victims or motivational speaker.........long before they begin selling they have the play book for every move and even every move when they are caught!!!!


Here is the article I was surprised to see that day I opened the Business section....but it explains and also as I can see somehow I managed to stand up and speak instead of cover up. I knew I would lose my income from Mortgage someday as it would crash and in 2009 it CRASHED hard!!! In the NW we were hit the hardest (in top 10 in US) BUT they were wrong and if I covered it up I would be just as wrong....why didn't NTM do that for me???? the other victims???? even the families??? the mother's/women who were abused and ruined after NTM?????
As in Mortgage I took an oath of ethics and integrity and I followed through
As in Christianity our oath is to God.
I fear God MUCH more than the IRS and FBI
hmmmmm


technical difficulties....article coming in next reply. Still waiting for my reward on this as promised since 2007.

http://blog.oregonlive.com/frontporch/2 ... fraud.html

Here is the link....it is part of a 5 story article so you have to scroll down until you see LOAN PROCESSOR SAYS BEING HONEST GOT HER FIRED and that's me.

In the end the amount of fraud profits to this team is over the amount to 10 years of bank robberies in the entire NW. We have a lot of bank robbers out here too.

FYI that 50 million in loans per month - 48 million were from my team. Only 1 percent of the loans I did, viewed or later viewed with FBI to catch all fraud were legal loans. The remainder either false houses (meaning they didn't exist so 400,000 loan went in their pocket), stolen identities, straw borrowers (only using their credit for the loan and receive 2000 grand for that), and INFLATED values on homes. They had an appraiser that was crooked too. So if a home really was worth $200000 it in just my 5 months working there doubled! So now you can understand why are housing market crashed and some of you lost ALL your equity and possibly went negative when it adjusted from No sales, foreclosures and borrowers fleeing (ooops I mean they never lived in the home so it sits empty with a bank holding the loan)

ANYWAY what the heck is my point???

These guys until me thought they were never going to get caught. And they may not have without me coming in. I gave ALL info to IRS and FBI and EACH indictment came from my info and they were charged on the loans, names, borrowers and straw borrower info I gave them along with how they did this as in a team of borrowers, a pain appraiser, a builder who dummied up his cost of construction to make values work and even an escrow officer who handed them cash back at closing in the amounts of up to $100000. And even lenders employees who helped them send the loans to the right Underwriter because they were having an affair and her oath came after sex.
They had it so down all the way to compliance, loans all signed by borrowers (an expert of sorts) down to friends with the schools we all attended for our yearly required classes to maintain our licenses and it was 80 % fraud training and how to NOT do it and WHY and YES the owner was a Morman and involved in community screaming everywhere what a good Christian family man he was!!!! This firm was huge, respected and many people wanted to work there and lenders begged for our loans as we were considered the golden child of how to do it right. HAHAHA

These are things undetectable unless someone says something based on the way the Govt. released loan programs to help economy after 911.

I knew these guys were drug dealers, involved with gangs, had pressured me and trapped me into running around on drug deals one night after a business meeting (trying to make it look as if I was part of them) even having me set up their S Corps and C Corps for them as the registered agents. I was stalked and while at work the C word used many times to me and also other parties waiting for fraud monies allowed to call me and scream horrible things at me.

I still went through with it. Working many hours with IRS to train their members on how a loan works (who touches it, who orders what, who checks what and the whys)

I kept forcing the IRS and FBI to keep going. In the end they are now getting more guys and more recovered funds. And still going.

I know everyone is afraid of NTM and trust me I am too BUT when it is wrong it is wrong no matter how they have it set up or how they word it. I don't care about board members and I don't care about leaders and I don't care about what they say. IT is wrong and I want help and I need help and I deserve help and justice. I don't care if my parents get upset for me going and going on this. I don't care if my family disowns me.
It isn't right. They wronged people. They fooled people. They fooled Churches and I don't care if those Churches don't support me. I have one that does and that's all I need. Besides Churches aren't God. Missionaries aren't God. NTM isn't God. GOD is GOD. And he says this is wrong!!!!
So I will push and push and push as I did above. Because it is the right thing to do. In Mortgage I thought of many victims and many more to come if I didn't say something. Nothing and I mean NOTHING trumps that. So I talked and I risked and I fought for what was right. The settlement was not much. Just enough to make sure I could keep my career and compensate for my loss of income. That is all I wanted from them. The IRS of course promises rewards to the public on paper and not in private as that battle for me is 3 years old. I have contacted everyone up to Pres. and now this week a reporter to expose Oregon, the IRS and FBI for not following through even to protection promised and notice promised as my right as a victim. So they can call NTM and cry over being exposed. In the mean time I have some work to do

PS. Sanford didn't add moneys either. If someone sent money to a field but to no special person, those funds could be used to help families out.

dbarney, That's interesting. I do know the BBF missionaries were sent the entire monthly support they got, less what the BBF took out for maintenace (I guess it was called). I think there were some technical tax problems with this system which was told us by a BBF missionary as I think ABWE categorised the monthly support for tax purposes. Full stop.

The number of hits is going bananas!