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So, so true.

Funny not funny.

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True, Raz. When I created these I was thinking about how they felt like political satire, but how sad that thought was. I expect some things of politicians, but mission organizations?...

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So great, Skyeblue!


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Yes, definitely not of mission orgs.
Good job, Skye Blue.


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You guys crack me up! Most of you sound like you are content to be whiney victims and conspiracy theorists. So, NTM changed their name...so what? I guess it fits the narrative here that there must be a underlying plot in doing so. So, NTM diversified their assets and holdings...so what? Why does that mean that someone is trying to hide something?


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Hello, cusimaniac. Welcome to the Fanda Eagles Forums. I don't know if you have recently discovered us, or if you have been reading for a while. So I don't know how many of the discussions that fill these sections and threads are familiar to you. There is a LOT! Many people have typed many words over the past eight years or so... most posters have drifted away now, and things are pretty quiet.

You may or may not get much response here from those you consider to be "whiney victims" or "conspiracy theorists". I feel very protective of the thousands of MKs who experienced abandonment and abuse during childhood and adolescence, while their parents were serving God as missionaries with NTM. So it shouldn't surprise you that I would be taken aback by the tone of your post. I have given myself a few hours to breathe deeply, sort through my feelings, and think about a response to what you wrote.

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So, NTM changed their name...so what? I guess it fits the narrative here that there must be a underlying plot in doing so. So, NTM diversified their assets and holdings...so what? Why does that mean that someone is trying to hide something?


So, NTM changed their name...so what? I guess it fits the narrative here that there must be a underlying plot in doing so. Is there only one reason NTM changed their name? No. I remember discussions about a name change way back in the '90s when we were still mission members, and actively engaged in brainstorming about changes and improvements. Even back then, we transitioned from calling our organization New Tribes Mission, and shifted to the more vague "NTM" in many situations.

So, NTM diversified their assets and holdings...so what? Why does that mean that someone is trying to hide something? Is there only one reason for a mission organization to diversify their assets and holdings? Probably not, though I don't consider myself to be an authority on this type of thing.

However, please realize that for those of us trying to track these changes, some connections seem more than coincidental.

Three lawsuits (that I know of) were filed by NTM MKs against NTM because of abuse they suffered as children. The first was filed in May 2011, and settled in May 2012. The second was filed in July 2011, and settled in April 2015. The third was filed Sept 2012, and settled in July 2015. Though none of these suits were settled for the millions of dollars originally sought by the MKs' attorneys, the threat represented by these suits, and the fear of further suits, was very real.

Is it surprising that we would notice that the three corporations quietly set up by NTM were registered in 2013? While suits two and three were still ongoing? And can you blame us for noticing that Scott Ross' name appears as an officer in these corporations? The same Scott Ross who has played a larger part than anyone else in the way not only NTM, but missions and MK schools all over the world now thrive behind a wall of protection from investigations and lawsuits that is thicker and higher and more interconnected than ever in history?

Is Ethnos360 trying to hide something? Who can possibly deny that the answer to this is "yes"? Not that I blame them. Of course it is embarrassing to have a history that includes separating small children from parents, minimizing and rationalizing horrible physical and emotional abuse of children, and enabling or covering up for missionaries who committed sexual abuse of kids and young people. It is not hard to understand that current mission members would want to avoid or deflect uncomfortable questions about the history of their organization.

The mission website has been wiped clean of the type of thing that used to be able to be found there. All very sanitized when it comes to information about abuse, acknowledgement of legitimate concerns, results of investigations, etc. Mission members have been coached to parrot back reassuring platitudes assuring supporters that everything is under control, everything has been handled in a Godly way, and everyone is happy now.

Someone is trying to hide something? Why of course they are. Is it shocking that the subject of child abuse is being avoided? Well no, not surprising at all. But think about how this feels to the many adult MKs who were once the 5 or 6 year-olds separated from their missionary parents and raised by harsh, unloving boarding school staff. Think about the unhealed wounds in the souls of those who were sexually preyed upon by dorm fathers and Bible teachers.

Before you call these people whiney victims ... think about them. Think about them the way Jesus thinks about them.

Really. THINK.


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"whiney victims"??? That seems like an oxymoron to me. But definitely disrespectful. I don't know anywhere else in the world someone would get away with calling any other victims "whiney", unless it is the perpetrator doing it. I guess you think they should just "forgive and forget"?? Are you in any way affiliated with Ethnos360 because that would explain everything, lol.

Interestingly though, the other day I was asking a former NTM member, just out of curiousity, "Why did NTM change their name???" Her reply: "Well you know there's no more unreached tribes left anymore." WHAT?!!!!! Then why was the fact that there were SO MANY unreached tribes out there POUNDED into my head when I was at NTBI?? And the fact that if I (myself and myself alone) didn't go tell them about Jesus they would all go to hell?!!! Her explanation was that the mormons or catholics have reached most tribes, so technically there were no unreached tribes left.

Ridiculous. ! IMHO, anyone who has any skeptical bone in their body would question why such a superior(THEY preach all day long about how superior they are) mission would ever need or want to change their name. Seems retrogressive to me. And more complicated.


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Really?? A former NTMer actually said there are no unreached tribes left?? Wow, I think I would have argued that on the spot! Never in NTM's history did they consider a tribe "reached" just because the Mormons or Catholics had been there! In fact, in countries like the Philippines, tribes that had several centuries of Roman Catholic connection were still considered "unreached" because they had not been evangelized by New Tribers and heard the Gospel presented the CORRECT way, through months of chronological teaching.

That just blows my mind. That doesn't even line up with the more logical explanation I read about the name change as worded by the leaders in Sanford.

Oh, and HI! 2ndGenNTMmk! I don't think I've see your name here before! Thanks for speaking up!

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