MK forum

Discuss anything MK here
It is currently Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:49 am

All times are UTC - 5 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 17 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2
Author Message
PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2011 7:55 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat Sep 18, 2010 3:52 pm
Posts: 142
I'm sorry, I was reading back through e-mails and I realized that I was sent three letters of apology. I want to be fair to those who sent them. They were sincere apologies with no excuses given, written by people that had nothing to do with what happened at Via back then. They were total surprises. What makes me reluctant to say more or post them? I'm afraid they'll be picked apart here - I can handle being picked apart, but I don't want to expose people who are sweating it out in an electric chair for a crime that, as far as I know, they didn't commit. Also, it's embarrassing to have received three letters - what I went through at Via really can't compare to what others have gone through - much worse and for longer periods. I know we're not comparing sufferings, but I sincerely hope that others have received e-mails also. I will be writing to Pat at some point soon. Just wanted to let this be known.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:11 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:04 pm
Posts: 1
I had the best of times and the worst of times in Via in the late 60s early 70s. When I even hear the words New Tribes, I run the other way. It's right up there with Mormonism and Muslim extremists, though not as violent. Still I do believe that religious fundamentalism is a cancer running rampant through the world. If there is a Satan, he's having fun with this movement. In the real world I have met many people of many different faiths, including atheists who have extremely loving compassion and courage and live by higher standards than I ever observed while my family was in the 'ministry' with New Tribes.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 9:10 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:06 am
Posts: 562
formerviamk,

That is a sad indictment toward Christianity and I feel so bad for you. What has happened is wrong, wrong, wrong and why NTM doesn't humbly admit that FACT is wrong as well. Like I have said before when my granddaughter over here has had a bad experience I always tell her I am sorry and her comment is, "Oh Grandma, you didn't do it." What I am sorry for is that she had to go through a bad experience and even though I have never harmed any NTM mk what I am sorry for is that you had to go through such a horrible experience. Yes, I believe Satan has NTM right where he wants them. I pray this whole sin saga will someday end for all of you victims. Full stop.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:35 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Oct 02, 2011 1:14 am
Posts: 5249
formerviamk wrote:
I had the best of times and the worst of times in Via in the late 60s early 70s. When I even hear the words New Tribes, I run the other way. It's right up there with Mormonism and Muslim extremists, though not as violent. Still I do believe that religious fundamentalism is a cancer running rampant through the world. If there is a Satan, he's having fun with this movement. In the real world I have met many people of many different faiths, including atheists who have extremely loving compassion and courage and live by higher standards than I ever observed while my family was in the 'ministry' with New Tribes.


This makes a lot of sense and is pretty much my own experience, although "the best of times" were few and far between as an MK, it really was a sad lonely existance most of the time. I spent my teenage years trying to escape initially mentally and then physically as well. My happiest memories were when I got away from the boarding school and went flying with a friend from outside the mission. I'd be gone for days and my father (bless his religous cotton socks) would encourage it. He knew what a sad miserable existance it was, the constant bullying, the being treated as the village joke and he also knew who was sanctioning most of it, the school principal with his weird religobable which one had to pretend to believe, or else. To his credit (again bless his religous cotton socks) he attempted to intervene, but it just got worse and he was told to accept that his son was just going to have top put up with it.
Eventually I escaped and put my head and life back together, sorted out fact from fiction and lies. I won't ever have fond memories of my time in NTM, what happened, happened. it's just a shame it did.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:40 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jun 26, 2010 9:10 pm
Posts: 868
I keep looking for the part where they say, "As the current leadership of NTM, we want you to know that NTM accepts full responsibility for the things that happened." Instead, I find that they carefully remind Courageous that they are "those currently responsible for the program at Via" [I.e., they aren't the ones who were responsible for the decisions made about Frank Parker]. The things that happened to her were not their "purpose or desire for this school" [I.e., not their fault].

They "desire that the truth of what happened be established." Is there some question? Are they afraid victims are lying? Or, are they astutely refusing to admit that these things really did happen? Scott Ross, any insights to offer us here?

They "desire that [victims] find healing for the wounds that these things have caused in your soul. We hope you will accept this humble apology. [It's not their fault that these (unnamed) things have caused wounds; it will help if you can just accept this humble apology and get over it.]

NTM did these things, not the former leaders. NTM now has a new crop of leaders, but that does not mean that NTM is not responsible for things NTM did under the old leaders. They have never admitted this! It's as if Chiquita Banana got all new executives and apologized for the mistakes made under previous leadership and offered a humble apology and prayed for NTM to find healing for those few missionaries who got killed and let's drop all this law suit stuff, after all, we are all Christians here at Chiquita…..

Why won't NTM say, "NTM is guilty of perpetrating these injustices, sins and crimes against MKs"?


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:45 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jun 26, 2010 9:10 pm
Posts: 868
sunshine wrote:
I'm sorry, I was reading back through e-mails and I realized that I was sent three letters of apology. I want to be fair to those who sent them. They were sincere apologies with no excuses given, written by people that had nothing to do with what happened at Via back then. They were total surprises. What makes me reluctant to say more or post them? I'm afraid they'll be picked apart here - I can handle being picked apart, but I don't want to expose people who are sweating it out in an electric chair for a crime that, as far as I know, they didn't commit. Also, it's embarrassing to have received three letters - what I went through at Via really can't compare to what others have gone through - much worse and for longer periods. I know we're not comparing sufferings, but I sincerely hope that others have received e-mails also. I will be writing to Pat at some point soon. Just wanted to let this be known.

NTM did these things. That is how corporations work. NTM would love for everyone to think it was just the old guard executives that committed all these crimes. If they had not been executives, that would be true, I suppose. But, as those with signature authority over the mission, and making the decisions in their capacity as executives, NTM is the guilty one, regardless of who is sitting on the hot seat.

If people don't want to be responsible for things done in the past, they can resign. It happens on Wall Street all the time.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:14 am 
Offline

Joined: Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:32 pm
Posts: 2328
COURAGEOUS wrote:
Begin forwarded message:

From: Missão Novas Tribos do Brasil <mntb@mntb.org.br>
Date: March 30, 2011 12:36:57 PM CDT
To: "karistw@yahoo.com" <karistw@yahoo.com>
Subject: Apology from MNTB leadership

Anapolis, March, 2011

Dear Karis,

Since you left Vianópolis it has become increasingly apparent that you suffered more than what those who originally interviewed you had thought. In light of the things that have come out since that time, we want you to know that we recognize that the sinful and abusive things that you experienced, as well as the fact that Frank was allowed to continue to be in the area afterward, have caused you to suffer tremendous pain, and years of misery during and since your time at Via. As those currently responsible for the program at Via, we want to humbly apologize to you, from the bottom of our hearts. We want you to know that we grieve deeply for you, that we are shocked, saddened and sobered by the suffering that resulted from you having studied and lived at Via. This should never have happened to you and is not our purpose or desire for this school.

We’re sure you know that a third party group led by Pat Hendrix is currently conducting an investigation of the events that are coming to light and will be contacting those involved to get their input on what took place. We are and will be cooperating with this investigation and desire that the truth of what took place be established.

We offer you our apology, we hope that you accept that we feel outrage, indignation, and grief for what you went through in a school that was meant to provide care and education for our MKs. We desire that you find healing for the wounds that these things have caused in your soul. We hope you will accept this humble apology.

Thank you for sending us your email address and giving us this opportunity to communicate with you on these matters. We recognize that a letter like this is not the ideal way to express these things. Please forgive us for this, but we do want you to know that we sorrow for what you have suffered.  Feel free to share with us anything that you would like to.

Sincerely,

Dan Royer

Bill Wiederhoeft

David Fread

for the general and eastern MNTB leadership teams

 

MNTB General Council:                     

Edward Luz                                        

Dan Royer  

Jose Marcos Braga

Fred Otto

Almir Verdelho da Silva 

Bill Wiederhoeft

Sergio Rodrigues

 

MNTB Eastern Sector Council:

Bill Wiederhoeft

David Fread

Joao Lucas de Souza

Jose Marcos Braga

Valmir Brisola de Almeida

Israel Domingos dos Santos


March 30, 2011


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 17 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2

All times are UTC - 5 hours


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
cron
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group