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 Post subject: Re: Hell on Earth
PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:33 am 
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I am thankful for most of the ones who have posted on the forums.
PTL for half a million hits on the website. But how do we make it up to 10x that amount?
I'm thankful for those who have written in a half a dozen times as well as for OT and Gene Long, etc. with their volumes.
Perhaps, it needs to be said here---there is zero thought of any monetary profit or enrichment except for paying for counseling and legal fees, if it comes to that. So those of you who at various times have attempted to engraft money into this whole discussion, please cease and desist.
As OT helped us to get a bigger vision earlier about firing off communiques to various officials in high positions, starting with "A" in the telephone book, now with so much more good writing here/ good questions/ and zero-ing in on the sin issues and cover-up issues, can we and should we put it some book form for at-cost distribution? The main question is, as with all new books and movies, how should it be "marketed" so that people will want to pick it up and read it in spite of their overloaded and over-busy lives? I guess I am really asking how we can multiply this message--get it out?
I know that we would need a very special editor and supporting crew to be sensitive not to include certain posts that should not be published. There are many powerful posts that should not be buried way down there on the site. They are too excellent to be lost.
OR what does it take to organize these in a certain way so that they will come up on Google? Under 'legal issues'--or other subjects that are there. Even making new subjects. How do you get search engines to cross-link this so more info pops up---not just NTM Abuse. How does it get into Wikipedia? Is this a bad idea?
This is much too urgent a message to let it plod along at triber speed. It should be more at cyber speed. My wife was making cookies with molasses today. Here where it's hot. But it's still slow and sticks to the side of the jar. It doesn't want to change its shape. And it's stored right next to the salt which makes me think how many pillars of salt there are in Sanford. Excuse me.
Question: How does one discern the difference between being perceived as bitter vs passionate? How does one perceive the difference between anger and righteous anger? Partly what I have learned is that you have to sit down with that one you perceive to have an issue. It's in the course of time that you can tell if it's just old-fashioned vengeance anger or God-driven righteous anger that is looking for solutions.
Question: Do we do a straw vote and propose who honestly believes that the company is really going to come clean in all this and how many would say, "No." I have done some statistical sampling and realize that these one line vote things are very risky in determining reality. Is it worth doing anything more to keep this ball rolling in another direction or another venue?
The internet is alive and so are you. Can't we combine them in some way to see greater results?


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:56 pm 
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Steadfast, you have interjected some new questions, thoughts and ideas that are very intriguing ...
How, and who (whom?) ...


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Shaking my head over all of this.

IHART (aka postal inspectors) is now investigating the abuse, the horrible response by field leadership, the cover ups, denial, etc.

We wait to see how the IHART group will handle this. If their response is weak and wimpy, the rest of us will have valid doubts that they can be trusted with any of the other abuse cases in NTM.

And the months tick by ....


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Why, indeed!
Because there are wolves mixed in who don't believe what was taught--
meaning when it was the RIGHT stuff.
Like obeying the law of the land,
repentance
and restitution.
Shepherding/ caring/ compassion/ watching out for these little ones/ mercy/ justice/ and holy living.
Bah!
As has been said--
When 'leaders' have to demand respect and a following,
there is no true leadership.
What DO you think they have to talk about now that there is no true shepherd giving counsel and support as Boz did?
Do ANY of them feel any remorse at all?
What about all these tears we heard about?
All these heartfelt discussions with those who wanted to share what happened to them?
NOTHING IS HAPPENING. Is that the appearance of good?


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Mitt, That is the Institute of Self-Preservation, their textbook was "God's Work in Bill Dillon's Way", and we shouldn't blame Trev for the way leadership misconstrued what he wrote, or as one Rochester staff member used to say, "misconscrued".

Reading some back posts on leadership, a relevant question to ask is: "Who's following?" If no one is following, then it isn't leadership. NTM leadership was/is (?) more like the Bolivian shepherds who walk behind the sheep driving them to the place they want them to go. Christ's shepherd syle was to walk before them: "My sheep know my voice, and they follow me." Again, who's following? And, why?

If you believed in the system and thought like leadership thought, were willing to chuck your own visions and dreams in the garbage pit or pickle pond, then you might have a chance at leadership. Otherwise, Do your ministry and "shut up!"


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I was really hurt by Bolivian Shepherds......and shepherds are suppose to protect also....don't figure


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dbarney, That is why it wasn't shepherding. It was crisis management - not leadership.


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