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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:22 pm 
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@ Gene:

Skepticism, skeptic, or skeptical: according the Merriam-Webster's Dictionary the word means, inter alia, the method of suspended judgment, systematic doubt, or criticism characteristic of a skeptic.

As such, while "caution" may connote more "leeway" as you put it; I suspect the use of the word "caution" is less inflammatory or perjorative than "skeptic" or its derivatives. It also, in my view, is more passive. However, when I used the word, "skeptic", I meant the act of "suspend[ing] judgment" and doubting of a system (if, by system, you mean NTM as a whole process of thinking, acting, and doing) up to this point, based upon its past track record. I AM cautiously optimistic that what Larry, et. al., did in GA will be replicated elsewhere, just as I am cautiously optimistic (given the recent acts in GA) that similar investigations into other fields will be conducted in the same thorough manner as GRACE did with Fanda. However, I am skeptical, as in suspending judgment of approbation on the whole, until continued incidents such as what happened in GA are done elsewhere AND NTM decides to utilize GRACE or a similar entity of sterling character and repuation to conduct investigations into sexual abuse that occurred on other fields and reporting such, when corroborated, to the appropriate authorities.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:55 am 
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@ Gene:

Skepticism, skeptic, or skeptical: according the Merriam-Webster's Dictionary the word means, inter alia, the method of suspended judgment, systematic doubt, or criticism characteristic of a skeptic.

As such, while "caution" may connote more "leeway" as you put it; I suspect the use of the word "caution" is less inflammatory or perjorative than "skeptic" or its derivatives. It also, in my view, is more passive. However, when I used the word, "skeptic", I meant the act of "suspend[ing] judgment" and doubting of a system (if, by system, you mean NTM as a whole process of thinking, acting, and doing) up to this point, based upon its past track record. I AM cautiously optimistic that what Larry, et. al., did in GA will be replicated elsewhere, just as I am cautiously optimistic (given the recent acts in GA) that similar investigations into other fields will be conducted in the same thorough manner as GRACE did with Fanda. However, I am skeptical, as in suspending judgment of approbation on the whole, until continued incidents such as what happened in GA are done elsewhere AND NTM decides to utilize GRACE or a similar entity of sterling character and repuation to conduct investigations into sexual abuse that occurred on other fields and reporting such, when corroborated, to the appropriate authorities.


I was using an older, less accurate dictionary. I am indebted to you for that clarification.

I was trying to imply that we should avoid inflamatory and perjorative language. I would think that passive language would be more appropriate on this thread. It is certainly what I was aiming for. But, if you want to be inflamatory, I'm OK with it. You're not obligated to use my terms any more than I am to use yours.

I'm going to stay away from approbation and opprobrium altogether from now on, too. It sounds distinguished when you use it. It makes me look ignorant when I do, and I am afraid too many people will figure out why it does that with me.

I borrowed a lot of words from others in previous posts, declining to use others. For instance, I would never say, on a page dedicated to honoring the courage of Larry Brown, et al, that "I recognize that this is too little to late." That seems to be taking away with one hand what you give with the other. But, if too little too late gives hope to any victims, I will not object to it, either.


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Gene Long wrote:
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@ Gene:

Skepticism, skeptic, or skeptical: according the Merriam-Webster's Dictionary the word means, inter alia, the method of suspended judgment, systematic doubt, or criticism characteristic of a skeptic.

As such, while "caution" may connote more "leeway" as you put it; I suspect the use of the word "caution" is less inflammatory or perjorative than "skeptic" or its derivatives. It also, in my view, is more passive. However, when I used the word, "skeptic", I meant the act of "suspend[ing] judgment" and doubting of a system (if, by system, you mean NTM as a whole process of thinking, acting, and doing) up to this point, based upon its past track record. I AM cautiously optimistic that what Larry, et. al., did in GA will be replicated elsewhere, just as I am cautiously optimistic (given the recent acts in GA) that similar investigations into other fields will be conducted in the same thorough manner as GRACE did with Fanda. However, I am skeptical, as in suspending judgment of approbation on the whole, until continued incidents such as what happened in GA are done elsewhere AND NTM decides to utilize GRACE or a similar entity of sterling character and repuation to conduct investigations into sexual abuse that occurred on other fields and reporting such, when corroborated, to the appropriate authorities.


I was using an older, less accurate dictionary. I am indebted to you for that clarification.

I was trying to imply that we should avoid inflamatory and perjorative language. I would think that passive language would be more appropriate on this thread. It is certainly what I was aiming for. But, if you want to be inflamatory, I'm OK with it. You're not obligated to use my terms any more than I am to use yours.

I'm going to stay away from approbation and opprobrium altogether from now on, too. It sounds distinguished when you use it. It makes me look ignorant when I do, and I am afraid too many people will figure out why it does that with me.

I borrowed a lot of words from others in previous posts, declining to use others. For instance, I would never say, on a page dedicated to honoring the courage of Larry Brown, et al, that "I recognize that this is too little to late." That seems to be taking away with one hand what you give with the other. But, if too little too late gives hope to any victims, I will not object to it, either.


I'm too tired to look up opprobrium right now. I have looked up skeptic and skepticism in the past. I did that because I recognized that I had become skeptical about much and wondered if that was a bad thing. I decided that it is not. I think the word skeptic and cynic are often seen as the same, when they aren't. I also think it is easy to go from skepticism to cynicism. For me, anyway.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 7:19 am 
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@ MK Sheri: I also think it is easy to go from skepticism to cynicism. For me, anyway.

It is easy for others, including myself, as well. Thank you for your clarification. My post was an attempt to guard against cynicism, while suspending judgment pending further developments (i.e., continued investigations, more GRACE-like reports, and further reporting of abuse to authorities) and greeting positive developments with a little handclap. I'll jump ecstatically later . . . .


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@ Gene: I'm going to stay away from approbation and opprobrium altogether from now on, too.

No need to stay away from using those words. Perhaps a little memory device, if I may. Approbation is similar to "approve" . . .appro & appro. Opprobrium is similar to "oppose", and means to reproach or be contemptuous of a person, place, or thing.

Hope this helps . . . .


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publius wrote:
.... I'll jump ecstatically later . . . .

I'll jump ecstatically when we can see some of these perpetrators behind bars!

And, I'm just enough of a starry eyed optimist to believe that is going to happen. Insofar as the pilgrimage to GA was a step in that direction, I'm willing to suspend judgment.


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Gene Long wrote:
publius wrote:
.... I'll jump ecstatically later . . . .

I'll jump ecstatically when we can see some of these perpetrators behind bars!

And, I'm just enough of a starry eyed optimist to believe that is going to happen. Insofar as the pilgrimage to GA was a step in that direction, I'm willing to suspend judgment.



@ Gene: agreed!


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@Publius

A little handclap is fine. clap.


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That is my dad who reported my abuser to the authorities and who playfully said OT would do a backflip because someone called the authorities.

Thanks, Dad. It was a good thing to do. Now if more parents and MKs could do the same, we could start to make a tidal wave.


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