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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 1:20 pm 
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@ mango: The "Age of Grace" has more to do with God's attitude towards us, and very little to do with those entrusted with spiritual leadership who act contrary to all sense of justice in the name of the One to Whom they will have to give account. I second your feelings of those who worm their way into innocent lives and destroy them citing some "spiritualized" maxim that is twisted and nothing more than a tool of satan!

By the way, child molesters aren't treated all that well in prison! Either way, the offender will get it, either en route a la the neighbors, or in prison a la the "brute squad" (for those who can quote ViaMks' all-time favorite movie!).


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:50 pm 
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Courageous: Thank you for your kind words, support and for understanding. I don't want a retreat either. That seems awkward to me. I just want to protect other people from abusers and I want there to be healing for all; victims and abusers.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:59 pm 
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I´d be happy to see unrestricted acknowledgment of what happened, the bringing to justice those who committed crimes, the revamping of policy and beginning of new attitudes (although how can you legislate that - it´s like the new antiracism laws in Brasil). That´s all I can think of right now. I suppose a retreat would be healing and necessary for different types of people. I´d truly like to see New Tribes come through washed clean, com alma lavada, and start a new page. I can think of a number of friends who wouldn´t show up at a retreat.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:24 pm 
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survivor wrote:
Courageous: Thank you for your kind words, support and for understanding. I don't want a retreat either. That seems awkward to me. I just want to protect other people from abusers and I want there to be healing for all; victims and abusers.


At this point in my life, it's all I want too. Not to see others victimized and suffer the way any of us did.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:35 pm 
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Publius, u r right about child molesters in prison. If not killed outright, at best they go in as a "tightend" and come out a "wide reciever" if u get my drift.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:42 pm 
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ViaWings wrote:
Publius, u r right about child molesters in prison. If not killed outright, at best they go in as a "tightend" and come out a "wide reciever" if u get my drift.


Lol!! They are much hated in prisons. Doesn't fix their mentality though.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:46 pm 
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What's sad though is what if the "abuse" they suffered in prison only makes them worse abusers once they get out?


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:52 pm 
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survivor wrote:
What's sad though is what if the "abuse" they suffered in prison only makes them worse abusers once they get out?


Don't know if there are degrees of bad when it comes to pedophiles. It's a mental thing. They don't see what they are doing as wrong. How do you fix that?


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 6:00 pm 
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I really think that all sexual abusers have been abused before. I don't think they can ever heal until they deal with their own victimization from childhood. Until they realize how much their childhood abuse affected them, until they take responsibilities for their actions as adults, and then again- much accountability.
Have you ever heard of chemical castration? It's a shot or medicine that they will give abusers and it's supposed to temper the urges they have. Problem is, once they stop taking it, those urges come back. I read an absolutely horrible but true story of a guy in a mental place who was being chemically castrated. Once he left there though, those urges all returned. he assumed a new identity, moved into a nice neighborhood and the abuse continued with the neighborhood kids. When he was finally caught, no one could believe it because he was just the nicest guy.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 6:01 pm 
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Yunker wrote:
survivor wrote:
What's sad though is what if the "abuse" they suffered in prison only makes them worse abusers once they get out?


Don't know if there are degrees of bad when it comes to pedophiles. It's a mental thing. They don't see what they are doing as wrong. How do you fix that?

Unfortunately, since live in a fallen world, in most cases even CHRISTIANS who abuse can't be 'fixed', as many of you well know.

That is why NTM HAS to set accountability into place for all of these abusers and then, get them out of NTM. Registering as an offender has huge accountability; disclosing to your local church leaders is, in many registered offenders cases, required OR staying away from churches with children altogether (as I heard is one abuser's requirement by law); being brought to justice... all these things. This is, as we know, the reason society has these laws and guidelines. Because these types of deviant behaviors are often not 'cureable' and society needs to be safe from these predators.

Only the foolish and stiff-necked would insist that a predator would never be a threat again because he's "Changed" or "cured" or "Went through counseling." And in my humble opinion, IF the abuser IS truly changed, he will WELCOME accountability. He will know that it is his lifeline and the only thing keeping him from abusing again.


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