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 Post subject: Re: TIMELINE
PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:40 pm 
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Publius, that was excellent!

To round out the discussion, please replace the word "parents" with "other missionaries" and I think that will cover all the bases. I was a first-generation Triber, but my emotions/ feelings/ experiences were exactly like those you explained, with the only exception that my entire extended family was not involved.

Thank you for your excellent, insightful post.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 4:35 pm 
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ornerythornery wrote:
Florida Abuse Hotline
1-800-962-2873
Report Abuse Online

I know you keep harping on this, but I don't see the point. As far as I know, neither the victims nor the abusers are in Florida, and the crimes did not take place in Florida. What is the State of Florida supposed to do with that information?

On the other hand, the fact that NTM did call this hotline and was told essentially the same thing does not in any way exonerate or excuse them for not dealing with things in the lawful and proper way.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:49 am 
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ornerythornery wrote:
homework for someone with time......go the first post on this thread, then add details and re-post with a more complete version


My additions in italics -

LITTLE DORM VIANOPOLIS

1978-1979 G and RA S no comments that I've seen on this site
1979-1980 M & C T no comments that I've seen on this site
1980-1981 D & G F excellent dormparents....no comments that I've seen on this site
1981-1982 No little dorm....all boys in one, all girls in the other (B&F B; G&RA S)
1982-1983 First year as dormparents for Frank and Joan Parker
Memories suffers sexual abuse and 24-hour emotional torture
Mother of Memories reports abuse to Via School Board
Frank/Joan continue as dormparents; abuse continues

Yearbook:
’82-’83: 4 girls, including the Parker’s daughter
4 boys, including the Parker’s son
’83-’84 3 girls, including the Parker’s daughter
4 boys, including the Parker’s son

We were on medical furlough Feb. ’84 – Jan. ’86, so I don’t have the ’84-’85 YB.


Yearbook:
’85-’86 : 2 girls, Courageous and I
6 boys, including the Parker’s son
’86-’87: 5 girls
2 boys, including the Parker’s son


1983-1985 Did Parkers have a furlough? (?)
1985-1987 Courageous suffers sexual abuse at the hands of Frank Parker
1986-1988? Abuse is so obvious that boys in little dorm are driven to plan to kill Frank.
1987-1992 Frank/Joan continue as dormparents?
How many girls were in the Little Dorm from 1982-1993?

Yearbook:
’90 – ’92: 8 girls
9 boys

Looks like ’90 – ’91 was somehow skipped, so ’90-92 covers both years but mostly ’91-’92 I think. Class of ’91 was included.

’92 – ’93: Looks like – 11 girls & 8 boys (Picture is a copy and fuzzy.)
Also, the dorm parents pictured were associates for (2?) years. They had two kids, one girl and one boy. Frank & Joann are pictured as faculty. So, I think 10 girls and 7 boys when Frank & Joann were the dorm parents for part of that school year.


1992-1993 Courageous tells Via School Board about abuse
1992-1993 Frank/Joan continue as dormparents.
1993 Frank is removed as a dormparent, but now works on maintenance. Reason given in chapel for this change...Frank is too authoritarian. (you can't make this stuff up)

When did Frank/Joan leave the field?

Maybe we should ask Reginaldo to fill in some of the blanks for us....he lives just down the street from the Via school.

Did New Tribes allow child abuse in order to control the parents?
Did New Tribes fraudulently conceal the child abuse?


PLEASE ADD/DELETE/CORRECT THIS MATERIAL.
IT DOESN'T TAKE TOO MUCH IMAGINATION TO REALIZE THAT MEMORIES AND COURAGEOUS ARE TWO OUT OF MANY, SINCE THIS PREDATOR WAS ALLOWED TO ROAM FREE AT VIA FOR 11 YEARS. I WONDER WHAT HAPPENED IN THE GAVIAO TRIBE? WHY WAS THE WORK THERE CLOSED?
DID FRANK HAVE DIRT ON SOMEBODY ELSE, AND THAT'S WHAT KEPT ANYBODY AT VIA FROM DEALING WITH THIS?
WAS THERE SOME TYPE OF LITTLE MASONIC LODGE WITHIN THE FIELD/SCHOOL LEADERSHIP THAT PROTECTED ONE OF THEIR OWN?

When I read "nobikesonthesidewalk", it reminded me of a very pleasant, kid-friendly place where our parents worked together. But it also displayed the natural reaction human beings should have when confronted with this information.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:20 pm 
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I doubt that any of the investigators read this site.

1,045,030 hits to date, but most people I know have never even checked it.

Don't confuse them with names, dates and other suggestions.

They've got a job to do.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:10 am 
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Me too.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:02 am 
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I would say ALL of the above.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:54 am 
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When you see it clearly
Or even have some questions to make you see MORE clearly
YOU GET KICKED OUT
And that can be very freeing
After you deal with the devastation of starting over
After you deal with the deception over years
NTM is not about the clear truth
NTM is not transparent
Mostly, we don't even want to talk about NTM
The deception continues with their members/ trainees/ supporters
UGH!
But let's continue to speak up to stop this deception!


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:13 pm 
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I have always wondered how many of the NTM males were Masons. The similarities are frightening to say the least. Was NTM recruiting for Masons and pedophiles or were the Masons and pedophiles recruiting from NTM....all one and the same if you ask me?.

Have to agree with Mitt's theory on NTM being a hiding place for those trying to escape drafts for the war....that and the need for the 'good folks' from the South needing to find new slaves to excercise their generations of racist egocentric arrogance over.

I remember a elderly man (distant relative) who spoke about wanting to become a missionary around the time he was to be drafted....he ended up in a camp as a consciences objector. This man was Australasian but fits the profile of all the perverts NTM has hidden over the years.

Timelines are interesting things....ALL YOU NEED IS A GROUP EFFORT TO FILL IN ALL THE PIECES.

SO FAR SO GOOD!


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 4:35 pm 
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If someone had suggested there was a link between the Masons and certain elements of NTM a year ago I would have been sceptical.
But as I've gone deeper into what makes my father tick and thereby what was going on around him, there is a sinister side to what I find. Let me make it clear that most NTMers in my opinion went into NTM for good reasons and did their job.
On the other side of the ledger, my parents were recruited into NTM by a jailed paedophile and my father says "it is not my concern". So he doesn't care that his kids interacted with this man, very odd. I very much doubt my father is a Mason, it would be an amazing secret if he was, but I think he has the brotherhood mentality that says "whatever happens we stick together". The same mentality that led Dean Van Vliet to shred documents, the same ethic that has seen little effort to turn paedophiles in to the law enforcement authorities.
Was there a sinister section within NTM that was involved in paedophilia, it is something that needs to be considered seriously. Will IHART look into this? Probably in the to hard basket.
So where does IHART, fit into this theory? I'm not sure, but what I read makes me wonder. The proof will be in the pudding, but the pudding seems to be baking rather slowly and some parts may not be in the oven at all.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:42 pm 
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I think most of the pudding is still splattered all over the kitchen....it's not even going to come close to making it into the oven. I'd say what makes it into the oven is going to be dust if it takes another seven years off mucking around by the NTM leaders and "investigators" lol. Whats splattered a over the walls will remain there rotting, attracting the same sort of vermin that NTM has attracted for years.


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