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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 8:34 pm 
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That is so true. So insightful.

The PCUSA report was filled with many such insightful, helpful gems.

Did Pat Hendrix's final report on child abuse at NTM's school in Vianopolis contain this type of instructive commentary?

PCUSA was the previous MK abuse investigation that Pat was involved in, after all.


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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 9:32 pm 
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I don't want to cover for NTM or any abuser.

IHART reported the following abusers:

Frank Parker (sexual, physical & emotional abuse) – deceased
Steve Armour (sexual & emotional abuse) – dismissed
Roger Bailey III [sexual abuse (voyeurism)] – ineligible for future NTM service
Dawn Canright (sexual & emotional abuse) – dismissed
Jerry Wnuk (physical & emotional abuse) – dismissed
Bucky Nageli (emotional abuse) – not dismissed (actions not dismissible offense)

These individuals were reported to local, state, & federal authorities.

IHART found that Alton Cothron & Stan Donmoyer disregarded and minimized a large body of evidence, and they didn’t protect children from known perpetrators. They were not dismissed.

If you do nothing, there will be no result. (M.Gandhi)


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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 9:45 pm 
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Thank you, Cagey Mango. That was incredibly brave.

We have been waiting for someone to step forward and do this. I hope others will now have the courage to stand by your side and raise their voices also.

I honor you for your courage.


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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 11:07 pm 
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with some help from anonymous and clever hacking of ntm and ihart servers, the following additional information was uncovered:

while the list of abusers is mostly the same, on the ntm members site, the first four say only "acts of misconduct against minors" - Jerry Wnuk says "physical misconduct against minors" and Bucky Nageli is not mentioned

also not mentioned are the two field leaders - who have been sternly reprimanded :roll:

seems like they are trying to make it seem like a minor issue to the membership

I for one would like to know more specifics of the abuse (without identifying victims) so that people will know the truth of what happened

I think that saying Frank Parker was only guilty of "acts of misconduct against minors" is about the grossest understatement of anything I've seen in a long time


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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 11:28 pm 
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Cagey Mango wrote:
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Roger Bailey III [sexual abuse (voyeurism)] – ineligible for future NTM service
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What in the world does that mean?

Was he an NTM member, or did his offenses occur when he was a student?

And thanks for the list, CM.


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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 12:53 am 
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"Acts of misconduct against minors"?? We must call sexual abuse sexual abuse.

I can tell you from my experience that NTM members are doing searches on the names of the abusers. They want more information. I have had quite a few tell me they stumbled upon this site after NTM released their statement on Gary Earl. The missionaries Googled and found this site right away (it is ranked very high in the search engines).

With that in mind, if anyone from Via wants the truth known about these abusers, and wants the missionaries to know what NTM calls "acts of misconduct against minors", it would be helpful if you compile the stories of the abusers in a thread of its own. I know the stories are on this site, but to the average person, they are hard to dig up. Make it easier for them, so they can read what you need them to read. Write a call to action, if you'd like. What would you like us, who read your stories, to do for you?

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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 6:49 am 
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Cagey Mango wrote:
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Frank Parker (sexual, physical & emotional abuse) – deceased
Steve Armour (sexual & emotional abuse) – dismissed
Roger Bailey III [sexual abuse (voyeurism)] – ineligible for future NTM service
Dawn Canright (sexual & emotional abuse) – dismissed
Jerry Wnuk (physical & emotional abuse) – dismissed
Bucky Nageli (emotional abuse) – not dismissed (actions not dismissible offense)
...

I have another question for those of you who were at Vianopolis during the time period that was investigated. Did this list surprise you in any way, either by who was on it, or who was not on it? Thanks.


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august19 wrote:
with some help from anonymous and clever hacking of ntm and ihart servers, the following additional information was uncovered:

while the list of abusers is mostly the same, on the ntm members site, the first four say only "acts of misconduct against minors" - Jerry Wnuk says "physical misconduct against minors" and Bucky Nageli is not mentioned

also not mentioned are the two field leaders - who have been sternly reprimanded :roll:

seems like they are trying to make it seem like a minor issue to the membership

I for one would like to know more specifics of the abuse (without identifying victims) so that people will know the truth of what happened

I think that saying Frank Parker was only guilty of "acts of misconduct against minors" is about the grossest understatement of anything I've seen in a long time


Thank you, august19, and if anyone else helped bring this information to light, thank them too, for the anonymous and clever hacking!

The fear that has been keeping us from getting true information is very sobering. For New Tribers trying to figure out what in the world is going on, even the secrecy and lack of transparency should tell you something. And the fear that both MKs and Tribers appear to have of getting in trouble for sharing information concerns me.

If I am understanding right, there is a difference in the terminology used to describe the findings of IHART in regard to those who abused children in East Brazil?

Via MKs are assured that those who terrorized them are confirmed to have committed acts of sexual, physical and/or emotional ABUSE, while current New Tribes members are soothed with gentler words like "acts of misconduct against minors"?

Am I the only one who finds this rather shady?

Let's not call a spade a spade. Let's call it a soil reappropriation aid.

What is going on here? This really is crazy-making.


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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 7:21 am 
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Cagey Mango wrote:
IHART found that Alton Cothron & Stan Donmoyer disregarded and minimized a large body of evidence, and they didn’t protect children from known perpetrators. They were not dismissed.



The Good Ol' Boy Network is alive and well.


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"Acts of misconduct against minors"?? We must call sexual abuse sexual abuse.

I can tell you from my experience that NTM members are doing searches on the names of the abusers. They want more information. I have had quite a few tell me they stumbled upon this site after NTM released their statement on Gary Earl. The missionaries Googled and found this site right away (it is ranked very high in the search engines).

With that in mind, if anyone from Via wants the truth known about these abusers, and wants the missionaries to know what NTM calls "acts of misconduct against minors", it would be helpful if you compile the stories of the abusers in a thread of its own. I know the stories are on this site, but to the average person, they are hard to dig up. Make it easier for them, so they can read what you need them to read. Write a call to action, if you'd like. What would you like us, who read your stories, to do for you?


That is a very helpful and practical suggestion, Dreamwords. Thank you!

It is my understanding that the IHART report as it now exists reveals too much identifiable information, and abuse survivors are fearful of having their stories or their words recognized by others (including their abusers -- that WOULD be frightening). So finding your own words to tell your story in your way could be very empowering, I think.

I am again offering my help to be the person who posts your story anonymously if you prefer. Just PM it to me and I will post it. Starting a new thread for this sounds like a good idea.

And yes, a call to action, if you have one in mind. What can we do? How can we help?


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