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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 8:08 am 
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Well, at least I asked.
What an answer---I'm so sad.
But thanks, Lori, for your courage----
It's possible! :D


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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 8:32 am 
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Paul Syson wrote:
Raz wrote:
I am more concerned with the results of the abuse investigation. What is the response to the interviews so many MKs, parents and others participated in? Who are the guilty people? They do not deserve any protection! The children they hurt were not protected! Why are the names of child abusers now kept secret?

I, for one, am deeply disappointed. I have no desire to participate in future sham investigations that are being funded for appearances sake only, not for true justice or healing.

I don't remember when the Via investigation began, but I believe that at least four of the five men named and dismissed were already gone from NTM before the investigation ever began. And of those four, one had already been dismissed and one is deceased.

Raz, I'm having to work through in my mind where to draw the line on confidentiality. Like you, I don't think abusers deserve anonymity. Not ever. Not at any level. At the same time I have to handle the information I receive from Sanford through the grid of my personal integrity. I have joined this battle publicly because of that integrity, and now I'm not posting names from NTM communications for the same reason.

I know that is going to elicit some strong negative responses from some, perhaps many. But everyone, please understand, I AM NOT SAYING THAT THOSE WHO DO POST COMMUNICATIONS FROM NTM LACK INTEGRITY!! That thought is the furthest from my mind. The publicity gained by this forum has had a huge impact for good and for God. It needs to continue. It MUST continue.


I would like to say to you in the nicest way possible
Which is not always how your org. responds
Especially when they do not respond at all
And when they fall FAR short of what they taught all of us
ie: They do not practice what they teach-----

Either take courage and DO something to help this cause
Or resign from ntm so you feel that you can
But don't keep hemming and hawing
It doesn't help
To keep one foot in each camp.

(Yes, I know your wife and her family
And appreciate them.)


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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 9:48 am 
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How sad! I really cannot believe the manipulative hold ntm continues to place on MK's with this confidentiality stunt. Wow ntm....you have proven once again your cult-like power. Shame on you!!!!! You obviously do not care about the victims!!!!


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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 11:23 am 
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The question is really do the Via MKs want the names posted? They have info and the ability to discreetly give names without revealing anything personal or identifying themselves if they want to.


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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 11:57 am 
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Yes, that is true, darthjaded. Via MKs can re-word and post anything they like.

We absolutely, 100% agree that the privacy of childhood abuse victims should be protected at all times. This includes not only their identities/names but also information about what they suffered that may be very personal and private, and they may not want it to be revealed. Some people, like dreamwords, may choose to describe their own abuse, in their own words. But others may not be comfortable doing that, and I completely support their right to make those choices.

But I do not see a valid reason for protecting the identity of the adult missionaries who hurt innocent children. The abuse they perpetrated has resulted in so much pain and so many struggles for decades now. They do not deserve anyone's protection. I do feel very sad for the innocent spouses, children and grandchildren of abusers, who are the collateral damage in these situations. We acknowledge that the exposure of the sins of their family members is very traumatic for them, and I sympathize with that. This is just one more heartbreak on top of all the other heartbreak.


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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 12:01 pm 
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That being said, I will add that I have received privately the names of the Vianopolis abusers.

I can post those, if that is what the Via survivors want.

Or if there is a Via survivor who would like to do that themselves, I think that would be a very courageous step to take. Like I said, you can re-word everything, and only post what you are comfortable posting. That might also help ease the restrictions of the "confidential" threat that is on the pages of your report.

I will wait a bit to see if anyone responds.


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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 5:58 pm 
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Another issue at hand.

Do we really think that the people found through the IHART investigation into Via, Panama, etc. only abused during that time period there in Via, Panama, etc? What about their time in bootcamp, language school, maybe on staff here Stateside? We are still keeping secrets for NTM! What about the person who is struggling because NTM is only "investigating" the boarding schools and they were abused in Nursery/Toddlers at bootcamp, language school or even at NTBI or they know of such abuses.

When will we set boundaries for our own lives?

When do we stop giving NTM power over us?

When is enough enough?

I say out them. These are allegations and we can say as much.


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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 11:42 pm 
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threewillows wrote:
Do we really think that the people found through the IHART investigation into Via, Panama, etc. only abused during that time period there in Via, Panama, etc? What about their time in bootcamp, language school, maybe on staff here Stateside? We are still keeping secrets for NTM! What about the person who is struggling because NTM is only "investigating" the boarding schools and they were abused in Nursery/Toddlers at bootcamp, language school or even at NTBI or they know of such abuses.


This concern has been brought up over and over on this forum.

It seems to have fallen on deaf ears in NTM-land.

Scott Kennell is an example. Is anyone really naive enough to think that the handful of Indian girls he admitted abusing were the ONLY victims that man ever had?? Get real!! A person doesn't just wake up one morning and say to themselves, "I am going to commit lewd acts with these indigenous girls, film them, and share them on the internet."

NO!!! There had to be a progression of inappropriate acts that led up to this! When did it start? In high school? In Bible School? Boot Camp?

Every place that a victim from his past might potentially be today should have been reached with the word of this man's crimes. How many struggling adults are out there now, still thinking they must be the only one this man ever wounded. Thinking they are alone, no one would believe them, and no one cares.

New Tribes Mission, do not pretend that you care about abuse victims, if you don't care enough to spread the bad news, in an attempt to find the little lost lambs caught in the brambles of secrecy and solitude.

Don't even pretend.


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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 7:04 am 
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I think it is a valid point that others see the results of the report, both the findings and the recommendations - so they can know whether they want to cooperate with investigations into their schools. However, the reports are highly specific and would instantly reveal victims if they were to be published as is. The reports also only address the specific individuals a victim provided info on, so each report is incomplete.

Perhaps Raz would agree to be a point person - to whom we could send any info we are comfortable sending? We might get enough to compile an almost complete report, and that way others could more accurately evaluate IHART's reporting process, as well as NTM's response.

For victims on the waiting list of schools to be investigated, this might be useful - whether it will be worth their spent time & emotions to cooperate with IHART.

**Sorry for putting you on the spot, Raz** It's merely a suggestion and you are not committed to anything by it.


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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 7:37 am 
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Cagey Mango wrote:
**Sorry for putting you on the spot, Raz**


I'm smiling. :)

I think I've made it obvious that I am putting myself out here as a victims' advocate. Yes, I am open to being a point person. The PM feature here works very well for private communication.

I will wait a few days and see what comes to my PM box. I have a busy weekend planned and will actually be off line for part of it.

I'm here for you, Via alum!

Abraços!


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