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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:25 am 
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We could just keep circling your heads with a shrill buzz, right Down and Out?
Buzz! Buzz! Bite! Itch!

Please join in. Thank you, Tambo Graduate. But there must be so many more.

Will never forget the beauty of Tambo and the other places we all lived in Bolivia. And the great friends/ natls and ex-pats. And the Lord, active in our lives. Always faithful.

But the leadership, when based on groupthink, kept some really good folks with good gifts from staying. AND this concept did not prepare them to do all they should have or could have to handle the abusers! Putting the blame here on each individual who did not THINK biblically and ACT biblically. We all had/have the Word. Whoever spoke up/whoever asked questions---became the problem.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:01 pm 
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Well, I really thought of sharing my story too. As many of us from Tambo can attest, serious abuse did happen at Tambo as well. But, as I have followed these pages for a short time I have become increasingly saddened by the content. It seems to me that this site should promote healing for all of us who were abused. Instead, what we are getting is just a whole lot more abuse. This is not a place for anybody who has a problem with NTM to have a voice to stir up trouble. Correct me if I am mistaken, but wasn't this site created for the benefit of the abused? Don't we want God to be glorified here? If that is not the goal, then we are wasting our time.

And since I myself may be kicked off this site after this post, I will add one more thing.
For any of you who do not believe that God can heal you, I am deeply sorry. If the God we believe in does not have the power to restore even the most abused person among us, then he doesn't have the power to heal even one.
If we don't allow God to show us how to forgive and grow from it, then our hatred is going to be the end of us all. We need to do all we can to end the abuse in NTM, but our own bitterness will never accomplish it. Let's see this thing through so that the changes that need to be made in NTM are made. But let's make sure our motivation is right, because if all we thirst for is revenge, we will never see HIS children healed.
I eagerly await your thoughts,


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:57 pm 
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A+ for creativity. But completely missed the point. Please, call the police. In fact, it is your duty to call the police. The person who stole your wallet needs to be caught and stopped.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:37 am 
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Tambo Graduate wrote:
Well, I really thought of sharing my story too. As many of us from Tambo can attest, serious abuse did happen at Tambo as well. But, as I have followed these pages for a short time I have become increasingly saddened by the content. It seems to me that this site should promote healing for all of us who were abused. Instead, what we are getting is just a whole lot more abuse. This is not a place for anybody who has a problem with NTM to have a voice to stir up trouble. Correct me if I am mistaken, but wasn't this site created for the benefit of the abused? Don't we want God to be glorified here? If that is not the goal, then we are wasting our time.

And since I myself may be kicked off this site after this post, I will add one more thing.

For any of you who do not believe that God can heal you, I am deeply sorry. If the God we believe in does not have the power to restore even the most abused person among us, then he doesn't have the power to heal even one.

If we don't allow God to show us how to forgive and grow from it, then our hatred is going to be the end of us all. We need to do all we can to end the abuse in NTM, but our own bitterness will never accomplish it. Let's see this thing through so that the changes that need to be made in NTM are made. But let's make sure our motivation is right, because if all we thirst for is revenge, we will never see HIS children healed.

I eagerly await your thoughts,


Tambo Graduate, I don't think you are in any danger of getting "kicked off" this site, not after this mild post. They even let me post from time to time. You are in no danger. . .

Many of the terms you have used are going to mean different things to different people at different times. Over on the "Picky, picky, picky: A thread for theological pedants" thread, I maintain that "revenge" as it is used in the Bible (and depending on which translation one uses) and "punishment" are related concepts. Of course, "revenge" in the sense of "torture" or "mutilate" and the like is not mandated by the Word; it is forbidden. So is seeking to take revenge/ punish on our own; it is a function that God has assigned to the civil authorities. But, there is a sense in which the Bible uses words like hate, punish and revenge that is not objectionable. In fact, rightly executed, these things glorify God.

Anyway, if we aren't careful in explaining ourselves, it will be easy to be misunderstood. And, your post has a generous helping of such words: Abuse, healing, forgive, grow, bitterness, hate. . . So, if some of the eagerly awaited thoughts that come back to you seem to have missed the point, please be patient and just clarify what you mean. And, please bear in mind that you may be missing the points that others are making for the very same reasons.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:51 am 
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Hello Gene, I realize different words mean different thing depending on each individual. But my question is, what is the motivating factor?
Are we in this to make ourselves feel better? Are we in it to inflict as much pain on everybody involved as possible hoping that it will ease our own hurt?
-In this case revenge would not be a good thing.
Or are we in it to see that God is glorified in our lives and by the outcome?
_in this case, the revenge that we seek ultimately will be of great help to those who were abused and a huge step in seeing that kids are protected in NTM in the future.

I know that you could read this and think, "man this guy really doesn't think we should be going after the abusers and those who protected them."
Well, you couldn't be more wrong. I am all for it.
I just know that if I am in it for me, healing will not be the outcome.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 10:00 am 
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Tambo Grad.

I think many of us endured abuse but were silent and we pulled into ourselves so much that we didn't notice the abuse and hurt that others were going through until now. Also, as you know, silent kids were good kids, so everything was kept in. As we hear from others that went through the same things, we are finding comforting words from others and healing in knowing that we weren't alone. But the nagging abuse is something we don't want to pass on to our kids.


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Thanks dbarney, well said.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 10:41 pm 
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Tambo Graduate wrote:
Well, I really thought of sharing my story too. As many of us from Tambo can attest, serious abuse did happen at Tambo as well. But, as I have followed these pages for a short time I have become increasingly saddened by the content. It seems to me that this site should promote healing for all of us who were abused. Instead, what we are getting is just a whole lot more abuse. This is not a place for anybody who has a problem with NTM to have a voice to stir up trouble. Correct me if I am mistaken, but wasn't this site created for the benefit of the abused? Don't we want God to be glorified here? If that is not the goal, then we are wasting our time.


I keep thinking about this, and honestly, I don't know how to respond.

As for the question about this site being made for the benefit of the abused: I don't believe that Kari and the Fanda Eagles only intended this site to be used by those abused (and maybe that is not what you are implying). I personally felt it was a site where I could come show my support for those abused and their families.

I am not an MK, and if you've followed my posts you know though, that I was a teacher of MKs and that knowing my students were being abused under my nose has affected me deeply.

I see a few attitudes here and there that might seem to be more 'vengeful' than some, but for the most part, I don't see most people here wanting to just see NTM go up in flames and seeking revenge as their goal.

What I do see if hurting people- hurting former MKs, hurting families, hurting supporters of the abused... people who after years are just now feeling free to tell their stories and feel their pain and shame and not be told there is something wrong with them. People who want to see the abuse cycle stopped. People who want those who abused to be held accountable civilly, criminally (there is a difference, right?) and also, held accountable by their church bodies, for the crimes they have committed.

I don't think anyone should feel guilty for wanting to be 'in this for themselves.' It is our right by law to have crimes against us prosecuted. That is the beauty of the law of the land, especially in the US. It can take away any "guilt" we might feel because we want to prosecute someone who has done something that is against the law. It isn't arbitrary (well, hopefully) and it isn't a made up offense. The law against child abusers has its purpose and place, mainly to protect innocent ones who cannot defend themselves from those who would prey upon them.

I truly hope I have not been found to be a voice of dissension here on this forum. I have stated before and I will state again, until I heard about this abuse- and not just that the abuse happened, but more importantly that the abuse is not and has not been dealt with in a lawful and godly manner- I LOVED, ESTEEMED, held in high regard, New Tribes Mission. But I personally can no longer support the mission as a whole (and my apologies to those who are godly and desiring to see this righted) until NTM is willing to lay it all out and deal with it in a 100% transparent manner.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:18 pm 
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Well said, MrsM. I totally agree. I certainly don't seek NTM's destruction but I do believe there needs to be a "house cleaning" and something better change FAST. NO more "sweeping under the rug" those sins and treat these pedos as CRIMINALS.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:37 am 
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I say AMEN to MrsK. While I do think this site is being used to heal I think the rules are that everyone gets to voice their opinions and no one is silenced for what they think. A large boil has been lanced and all the stuff coming out ain`t going to be real pretty. I think Kari and Bonnie will let us know if we get out of line. I think I know you, Tombo Grad, we spent quite a bit of time facing each other on the soccer field at Camp Awana.


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