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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 2:00 am 
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Naomi Cleaves wrote:
An older x-elder couple I really respect talked to me today and said, "You know what you need to do? You need to shut the door on this and move on!" I feel so ... :( Discouraged.

That is sad Naomi. I'm sorry. Shutting doors on parts of one's life results in a fragmented, compartmentalised life. I'm beginning to realise this problem in my own life. I think as chapters of our history start receiving healing they may not become as prominent in our minds, but that's different to shutting the door on those chapters! If you shut the door on your own experiences, how can God use those experiences of pain and healing to minister to others through you?! So often God uses our hurts and experiences in reaching out to others. 2 Cor. 1:3-4 "Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our troubles, so that we can comfort those in any trouble with the comfort we ourselves have received from God." (NIV)


I have sent the abovementioned email to my church's elders, and so far the response is positive. I would encourage others to pass on information to their churches and organisations which alerts them to potential problems and encourages them to review their child protection policies. There is a good section on the GRACE website with some initial recommendations for churches and organisations.



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:01 pm 
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Question: Our church supports NT members who formerly served in Senegal and are now serving in the U.S. I don't know if their kids attended Fanda or not.

I'm wondering what our church should do to come along side of them at this time. I did send them an e-mail (I'm on the missions committee at our church) and just told them that I was aware of the Fanda report, and was praying for them, because I was sure many they knew were affected.

However, I would like to share with the elders in our church about the GRACE report, and to ask them to come alongside this particular missionary couple that we still support, to help them make sense of what they are facing (both emotionally and as active members of NTM).

Any suggestions? (That I know of, my church is not aware of any issues with New Tribes). As a Vianopolis MK, I certainly might pull a little more weight than if any "Joe Blow" came up with this to present to the church.

Not sure where to start,
Hurt-n-Hopeful


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:15 pm 
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After all the other people in my church closing the door on discussing this, I finally plucked up the courage to e-mail my pastor the link to the "Fear at Fanda" article and a link to this sight and he has invited us to dinner at his place to talk about it. I told him in the e-mail that I feel that every christian organization and church needs to learn from all this and also, we have NTM missionaries in our church. I have no idea how he feels about it all so hopefully he is not having me over to ask me to stop talking :| Anyway, please pray that I have the right things to say.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:13 pm 
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[quote="Naomi Cleaves"]An older x-elder couple I really respect talked to me today and said, "You know what you need to do? You need to shut the door on this and move on!" I feel so ...:( Discouraged. That is 2 more people on that I can't try to talk to about this when I need someone to talk to.

Dear Naomi,

I know that feeling. My parents won't talk about it with me because you are supposed to just "put it under the blood and forget it". It's kind of like that lie that , "sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me!" Such a lie. I'm sorry you don't have anyone to talk to. I'm hear to listen if you need to talk.

Ruth


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:40 pm 
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This article was very enlightening, but really bothered me. Some people really don't get it:

http://www.rothgerber.com/files/10368_AreProtestantMinistriesaNewMarket.pdf

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 4:15 am 
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I've been forwarding GRACE's report to friends in church leadership positions. I was not prepared for the first reply I got:

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While I have been following your posts with a sort of morbid curiousity because I have relatives with NTM, I do not feel compelled to pass this along because 1) [my church] does not support NTM and 2) it feels like airing somebody else's dirty laundry.


Ouch. :(

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I'm sorry it feels that way. GRACE themselves has said, it could set a precedent for how Christian organizations respond to abuse.

I've been posting this stuff because I believe it is important for believers to support the victims, and also to be ready in case the unthinkable happens to them. In fact, a church I attended several years ago discovered a man, one of their members, molesting children during Sunday school on Sunday mornings. It sure revolutionized how they protect their children now. The scary thing is, this can happen to anyone, as can the subtle temptation to protect pedophiles and shush the kids who are deeply damaged.

But I wouldn't want you to forward it to anyone unless you feel the same way. Thanks for letting me know how you feel.


I've found the carrot and stick approch works pretty well.
Child abuse is now in the media in a big way, thanks to some big scandals worldwide. So a good time to put it back on the agenda of whoever you wish to challenge. But paint it in non religous terms, from a view point of someone who is looking in and asking how did this happen, who else is involved and are we looking at an organised paedophile ring? Because that is what the real world is asking. The real world is not saying "forgive and forget", it is screaming for justice because they hate this stuff as much as we do. And the real world cannot fatham how so many "christian" organisations who have proclaimed their own self righteousness have stooped to the level of depravity that they have.
Leave your recipient with the clear impression that they either need to stand with you to stamp out child abuse and right the wrongs of the past, or take a gamble that growing tide of public opinion will not wash over them and ask them why they did not take a stand.
Good luck and don't give up.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 7:48 am 
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Bemused wrote:
I've found the carrot and stick approch works pretty well.
Child abuse is now in the media in a big way, thanks to some big scandals worldwide. So a good time to put it back on the agenda of whoever you wish to challenge. But paint it in non religous terms, from a view point of someone who is looking in and asking how did this happen, who else is involved and are we looking at an organised paedophile ring? Because that is what the real world is asking. The real world is not saying "forgive and forget", it is screaming for justice because they hate this stuff as much as we do. And the real world cannot fatham how so many "christian" organisations who have proclaimed their own self righteousness have stooped to the level of depravity that they have.
Leave your recipient with the clear impression that they either need to stand with you to stamp out child abuse and right the wrongs of the past, or take a gamble that growing tide of public opinion will not wash over them and ask them why they did not take a stand.
Good luck and don't give up.

Thanks! :)


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