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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 12:28 pm 
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:47 pm 
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I appreciate all perspectives, love any comments.

Simply was thinking about the perspective of the abused people. But sometimes those of you WATCHING the victims have a better understanding of reality than the victims themselves.

And I totally agree that NTM does not have the right to decide who will face what consequences. That is the job of the third party investigators, I think.

am still processing the other thoughts!


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 1:33 am 
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True repentance could very well come years later. I do believe the Holy Spirit keeps working on hardened hearts to enlighten of sin.

However- I do not believe that repentance precludes judgment or punishment for crimes that are clearly against the law (such as covering up or inflicting child abuse).

Going back to David again. Wasn't he punished by that child of Bathsheba dying? And he accepted it as God's right to do that. Punishment and acceptance of the punishment. I don't know if it's true, but I heard that Ted Bundy became a Christian in jail. His response to his crimes was that he deserved the death penalty. He didn't say, Oh, now that I'm a Christian I should get out of jail. That's why I believe the story about him becoming a Christian. (I didn't investigate though. The whole story might have been created.)

I have heard of prisoners who think that if they "get saved" they will get some sort of reprieve as a result. Sheesh! All I have to do is look at myself to realize that becoming a Christian isn't an automatic "poof" I will never sin again.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 2:36 am 
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I am still learning about GRACE. I know they are a non profit group helping mks but I don't know alot about the organization. How are they supported? Is there a way to help them financially?


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 3:24 am 
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Has NTM definitely said they won't use GRACE again? Is there another organization they might consider taking the place of GRACE? If they don't approve of GRACE for some reason surely there are other organizations like them who can help. It's not so important who does it, as that it gets done, even GRACE would agree with this.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:44 am 
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timeto, if you look back on this thread, there is a notice that NTM and Grace are talking together about what to do next. So it looks like they are talking to each other. This is a thread of hope for me!! I am waiting patiently. Have already been waiting for over 17 years.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:54 pm 
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I choose to focus on hope! Yes, yes!!
(And I don't mean the town in Arkansas.)


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:53 pm 
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choosing hope here also.

O.T., I love the way you do chinese torture then get excited at signs of change.

Looking forward to good news about how future investigations are going to be handled.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 12:08 pm 
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@ OT: it IS hopeful and something to be praised and commended. Larry and the boys ARE doing something tangible, other than meetings, to address, openly, and clearly what happened, confront the wrong doers, and REPORT their actions to civil authorities. A good, very good, beginning . . .waiting to see if the actions continue, and "no stone left unturned".

@MK Sheri: you are correct about Ted Bundy. The information you recalled is actually contained in a televised interview conducted by Dr. James Dobson during the last few hours of Bundy's life. If interested, I think you can purchase that interview. It was fascinating. Bundy DID repent and he showed this by respecting the judgment handed down, and willfully went to meet His Maker. You could definitely tell he was a different man, one chastened and ready to pay the penalty.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 12:17 pm 
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I am hopeful also, and do see signs that things really are changing.

I suggested this once before, but this is probably a good time and place to repeat it. I think that (once they have a moment to get their heads above water), the EB hold a public and well publicized news conference to go over what has already been done in the Fanda case, and to come forward with the details of the other already known and documented cases. There certainly needs to be further investigation of how those cases were handled and other victims, but I think the principles of what was done through GRACE could be applied immediately.


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