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PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 9:31 pm 
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shadowspring2,

I am sorry if I have mislead anyone here. I am not an MK, nor have I ever been. My fiancee is that girl, a victim of Les Emory in Aritao, and NTM ever since.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 9:35 pm 
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We suffer too mahalko, watching the ones we love still hurting from all they endured. :x

I send my love and concern to your fiancee. May God bring healing into her heart and life every day by whatever means. My sympathy is for her and all who love her, and all others who also suffered.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 6:40 am 
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highlander wrote:
Many victims choose not to go to God for healing. They cannot fathom that God would allow such atrocities, understandably so.
Sometimes people here speak only of healing and victory in God. But does that mean those who don't 'do' God can never come to grips with their past abuse? I don't want them to be excluded in the care and healing. Can we talk about healing for all the abused? All the victims need love as they move thru this.

Go to the head of the class, Highlander!

Sometimes Christians think that "unsaved" people are never moral, thoughtful, victorious, capable of forgiveness. . . It's a long list. It comes as a surprise to them when they meet those of other religions, or no religion at all, who oppose child abuse, are true to their spouse, obey the law, sacrifice for their country. . . Aren't those uniquely "Christian" virtues?

It's almost as if only Christians can lead balanced lives, come to grips with their past or care about anyone else. Yet, in practice, they are the ones who often do the worst at those very things.

Victims all need love and support. Those of us who do "do" God (believers, if I can call us that) need to understand that it was a warped and evil aberration of true Christianity that drove so many MKs away from the Gospel, away from God. To that end, I heartily recommend the "Why didn't the MKs speak up?" thread.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 6:52 am 
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.....When “the news broke” and the Philippine FC found out from you girls the “secret” of what Les had done to you, I saw the tears and as much as I have my own battles with NTM, in this incident, they asked extensive advice of what to do, and every organization they contacted told them to get Les off the field ASAP for the sake of you, the victims. ...Talk of legal action went about, but all the parents I talked to did not want their children exposed to what this would entail (For those of you unaccustomed to Philippine legal system, this is a LONG several year process before cases come to any closure!)....

"Every organization"? It would be instructive to have a list of those organizations. If it included the Presbyterians, the Southern Baptists, CMA or ABEW..... well, then it's pretty obvious why they would not have counseled reporting these crimes to anyone else. None of them had been doing so, in spite of decades of horrible experiences. In fact, can anyone name an organization that ever took the initiative to report child abuse? Ever?

"Talk of legal action went about..." I know that NTM was probably pretty busy consulting with all those other organizations about the best way to handle this, but did anyone contact the police? Anyone? It seems that the police would be a very good place to start if one suspects there may have been a crime committed. But, this was not done. Instead, they "asked extensive advice" from other organizations.

I know nothing about the legal system in the Republic of the Philippines. It may be awful, though I doubt it is as awful as some would paint it. Nevertheless, be it as awful as it may, on what authority does NTM ignore it? They live and work in the country, they are protected by the armed forces of the country, they go to doctors in the country, they buy groceries in the country but they ignore the God ordained authorities tasked with punishing evil?

To this day, their own Child Protection Manual does not require going to the police in the countries where they work. Instead, they consult with others as to what they should do!

I think Jane Doe #7 has a very good case for negligence. I hope she is about to call you as a witness, Philam.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 6:54 am 
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shadowspring2 wrote:
We suffer too mahalko, watching the ones we love still hurting from all they endured. :x

I send my love and concern to your fiancee. May God bring healing into her heart and life every day by whatever means. My sympathy is for her and all who love her, and all others who also suffered.

Well said!


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Gene Long wrote:
philam wrote:
.....When “the news broke” and the Philippine FC found out from you girls the “secret” of what Les had done to you, I saw the tears and as much as I have my own battles with NTM, in this incident, they asked extensive advice of what to do, and every organization they contacted told them to get Les off the field ASAP for the sake of you, the victims. ...Talk of legal action went about, but all the parents I talked to did not want their children exposed to what this would entail (For those of you unaccustomed to Philippine legal system, this is a LONG several year process before cases come to any closure!)....

"Every organization"? It would be instructive to have a list of those organizations. If it included the Presbyterians, the Southern Baptists, CMA or ABEW..... well, then it's pretty obvious why they would not have counseled reporting these crimes to anyone else. None of them had been doing so, in spite of decades of horrible experiences. In fact, can anyone name an organization that ever took the initiative to report child abuse? Ever?

"Talk of legal action went about..." I know that NTM was probably pretty busy consulting with all those other organizations about the best way to handle this, but did anyone contact the police? Anyone? It seems that the police would be a very good place to start if one suspects there may have been a crime committed. But, this was not done. Instead, they "asked extensive advice" from other organizations.

I know nothing about the legal system in the Republic of the Philippines. It may be awful, though I doubt it is as awful as some would paint it. Nevertheless, be it as awful as it may, on what authority does NTM ignore it? They live and work in the country, they are protected by the armed forces of the country, they go to doctors in the country, they buy groceries in the country but they ignore the God ordained authorities tasked with punishing evil?

To this day, their own Child Protection Manual does not require going to the police in the countries where they work. Instead, they consult with others as to what they should do!

I think Jane Doe #7 has a very good case for negligence. I hope she is about to call you as a witness, Philam.


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Excerts from the USA Dept of State 2010 Human Rights Report: Philippines;

website = http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2010/eap/154399.htm

"The law provides that cases should be resolved within set time limits once submitted for decision: 24 months for the Supreme Court; 12 months for a court of appeals; and three months for lower courts. However, these time limits were not mandatory and were not respected in practice. In effect, there were no time limits for trials. Government officials estimated that it takes an average of five to 10 years to obtain a conviction and that the national conviction rate was 20 percent."

"Rape, including spousal rape, is illegal, but enforcement was ineffective."

"Child abuse remained a problem. From January to June, DSWD offices served 4,451 victims of child abuse, of whom 66 percent were girls. Approximately 44 percent of the girls were victims of sexual abuse, while 2 percent were victims of sexual exploitation. Some children also were victims of police abuse while in detention for committing minor crimes. Several cities ran crisis centers for abused women and children. Foreign pedophiles exploited children, and the government continued its efforts to prosecute accused pedophiles and deport foreign pedophiles."


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Merely being deported is getting off easy.


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Yes, that's not much of a consequence. I am not sure, but I THINK what Outside Insider is pointing out here is that when an expatriate pedophile is caught in the Philippines, what that government considers an appropriate penalty is for that foreigner to be deported. In other words, given a free pass back to his home country.

Since NTM has never, to my knowledge, turned a missionary child molester in to local law enforcement overseas, we cannot know for sure what the host country's response might be. But judging by this report, it is possible that the only thing that might happen could be that the offender would be "banished" from that country.

Not a satisfactory outcome, in my opinion. Just as frustrating as the response NTM itself has had in the past.


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But it does put the lie to the fear of execution after an unfair trial, biased against foreigners. I have heard that as an excuse for not reporting to local authorities before.


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