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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:26 pm 
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Your personal comment to me that NTM has regularly failed to protect the names of victims does not make it OK for others to do so. It is never OK to justify bad behaviour by other bad behaviour.

I did not mean that it is OK to justify bad behavior. I only meant that identities are only being marginally protected anyway. And, when the names of Fanda victims were revealed to GRACE in the first place, it was done without their permission.

I do not mean to detract from the admirable job that GRACE has done in protecting identities. It's just that for NTM to hide behind issues of confidentiality and give exactly zero information to THAT GIRL is an enlightening commentary on the sincerity of NTM's repentance.

I also maintain that it is unfair to assume that THAT GIRL would not maintain confidentiality, an assumption that your comment makes. I dare say she would; after all, she is protecting her own identity.

Finally, in regard to maintaining confidentiality, I would like to point out to you that my "personal message" to you was just that: personal. You are in a horrible position to lecture anyone about confidentiality.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:44 am 
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Way to go, That Girl. Please keep us posted on what you receive from NTM, if anything. It's so frustrating that they still have to have secretive little meetings to figure out what documents to send, even to such a clear and reasonable request as yours. Shady, shady.

Also, I read this as Interested just assuming that GRACE would be doing the investigation, and is frankly right to remind us that the names of the victims should be protected. There is no need to get so upset about it, people. JDG's comment on the homepage is pretty spot on - we will self-destruct if we let our frustration with NTM's consistently abysmal behavior lead us to infighting and pointless defensiveness among our supporters on this forum. Let's not shoot our own soldiers, ok?


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 1:32 am 
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verily wrote:
Way to go, That Girl. Please keep us posted on what you receive from NTM, if anything. It's so frustrating that they still have to have secretive little meetings to figure out what documents to send, even to such a clear and reasonable request as yours. Shady, shady.

Indeed! NTM is clearly interested in saving the corporation, even at the expense of victims. Larry Brown can cry us a river that Naaman could bathe in and it wouldn't change that.

verily wrote:
Also, I read this as Interested just assuming that GRACE would be doing the investigation, and is frankly right to remind us that the names of the victims should be protected. There is no need to get so upset about it, people. JDG's comment on the homepage is pretty spot on - we will self-destruct if we let our frustration with NTM's consistently abysmal behavior lead us to infighting and pointless defensiveness among our supporters on this forum. Let's not shoot our own soldiers, ok?

I also think Interested was talking about investigations. THAT GIRL's post makes it clear that she is not talking about an investigation. New Tribes Mission already has enough information on Les Emory to have sent him to jail years ago. All she is asking is for that information so that she can at least attempt to do what NTM failed so miserably to do. This would have no impact whatsoever on future investigations by GRACE.

Reminders of the need for confidentiality are always in order. Interested did not do that; she said that "no one but GRACE should be given names of other victims." If that is not what she meant, she could have clarified it instead of saying that they are "career professionals who are attorneys and professional therapists who lose their law license or counseling license if they violate confidentiality." I think she meant what she said. And, I think that THAT GIRL can be trusted with confidential information. But, that's just me.

I'm not sure where JDG studied Counter-Insurgency 101, but it probably was not Viet Nam. Or Palestine. Or Afghanistan. But, I have a good idea that NTM is being "well advised" by legal counsel to hold out for as long as possible before dribbling out any more information. The one thing they probably learned from the Fanda investigation is that they should have done a more thorough job of destroying documents, and not been so generous in handing stuff over to the "other side" just to see it used against them.

Odd, isn't it? The New New Tribes Mission is supposed to be on the side of the victims and their families! I don't believe it.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 9:57 am 
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Verily – Spot on.
Gene –Your verbosity and parsing words is fatiguing.
Pick your battles. I’m not the enemy. I have personal experience with some victims of sexual abuse and know many New Tribers as well. Do you want to silence me on this blog?


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People Please...

The topic at hand is NTM's "well advised" Course of action. This course of action is: silence. Whoever is advising NTM is advising them to not respond. I believe I can speak for That Girl when I say this:

She wants/ needs to know why the Philippine Fiend Committee has NEVER reposted Les Emory to Philippine Authorities. They are, and have been, in possession of enough information, including confessions from Les Emory Himself about some hideous crimes of perversion, to have had this man convicted of: Sexual deviancy, 1st degree rape, 1st degree sodomy, sexual mutilation, etc. etc. etc. in almost any country in the world, including the Republic of the Philippines.

That Girl is a victim herself of all of these crimes listed above and more! What in God's Good Name does she have to do to get New Tribes Mission to Turn this information over to the Philippine Authorities? NTM"s Motto SHOULD be similar to that of the NRA's. "I'll give you my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hands."

"I'll Give You That File When You Pry It From My Cold Dead Hands"

If this crime had taken place in the United States of America, The CPC, Executive Committee, their Legal Advisors, the Philippine Field Committee, and anyone in any position of authority in this case WOULD ALSO BE HELD LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT REPORTING THESE CRIMES. Why should it be any different because it happened in the Philippines? NTM, your acts are CRIMINAL.


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Mahalko

Thank you for redirecting this to what I feel is the real issue. I want Les Emory to be in prison for the rest of his life. You and That Girl have my full support to pursue this to the ends of the earth.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 2:09 pm 
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Romans 13
1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

The Authorities In the Republic of the Philippines was NOT the Field Committee NTM! Nor was it the CPC or the Executive Committee.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 3:03 pm 
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Gene:
French Revolution. The 12th edition textbook was too rich for my tastes.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 5:59 pm 
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Interested wrote:
Mahalko

Thank you for redirecting this to what I feel is the real issue. I want Les Emory to be in prison for the rest of his life. You and That Girl have my full support to pursue this to the ends of the earth.

I wouldn't dream of silencing you! I am sorry that I am not as efficient in my use of words as you are, Interested, and I really wish I had said it as economically as you, and I envy your talents, but I do fully agree with you.

It got buried under a lot of verbosity, but I said the same thing: "New Tribes Mission already has enough information on Les Emory to have sent him to jail years ago. All she is asking is for that information so that she can at least attempt to do what NTM failed so miserably to do." To me, this is the real issue, the main issue, almost the only issue. I never doubted that you supported Mahalko and That Girl.

Please ignore my posts and continue making your voice heard.


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An interesting possibility that NTM may eventually get broader publicity. For example, an abuse victim from a CMA mission school, Mamou will be one of 200 men on Opra this week.

Here is his story:http://www.ohio.com/news/break_news/106650493.html


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