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Author:  Gene Long [ Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:18 pm ]
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Author:  mosquito bite [ Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:06 am ]
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Gene: Your wife gets the Woman of the Year Award for Courage....retroactively.
No comment on the NTM "leaders."
It's not possible here.
But there MUST be a place.
Whining?
(Intolerant? Judgmental?) Concepts being used in society today, but not in the biblical sense. What is the biblical sense?
A picky kind of guy might be persuaded to pick these up and do something with them. Huh?

Author:  Yunker [ Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:18 am ]
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@Noel & Kathy, now take that what you were treated like and start that at the age of five and have it go on till you could leave. Over and over being told how bitter you are, how full of sin you are, how you are never going to be anything. Yes they beat people down and have taken no responsibility for it. All because you didn't believe like they did, not out of rebellion, but because that was who you are. Its a part of NTM, it just doesn't turn off because they say it did, I for one was still in NTM in 97 and there was no change. anyone who thinks there was is blind and already in the system.

Thanks for the great post and sharing.

Author:  Gene Long [ Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:19 am ]
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Author:  mosquito bite [ Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:38 am ]
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It COULD be likely. :D
Erwin Lutzer writes in his book: Who are We to Judge?
that only Jesus is the Judge. We as believers are not to judge one another. But as believers we ARE to evaluate on the basis of the Word. And 'judge' and 'evaluate' come from the same root.
So let the popular use stay in its own context. And let us do what we are supposed to do according to the Word.

Author:  Raz [ Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:29 am ]
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"...start that at the age of five and have it go on till you could leave. Over and over being told how bitter you are, how full of sin you are, how you are never going to be anything. ..."

Yunker! Starting at the age of FIVE?? That is horrible!

People who would do this to a young child have lost sight of the spirit of Jesus! Here is how HE interacted with children:

Mark 10
13 People were bringing little children to Jesus for him to place his hands on them, but the disciples rebuked them. 14 When Jesus saw this, he was indignant. He said to them, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. 15 Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.” 16 And he took the children in his arms, placed his hands on them and blessed them.

Yunker, my heart is broken for the little boy who was treated in such an un-Christlike way in a Christian community.

Author:  Kathy [ Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:59 pm ]
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Author:  MK in the USA [ Sat Feb 26, 2011 1:55 pm ]
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Author:  mosquito bite [ Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:58 am ]
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Author:  mosquito bite [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 12:27 am ]
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If I just post the link, many will miss this. :) So.......

(The top post of all time---No. One on the list of top posts of all time----
is still New Tribes Missions Faces The Consequences of Its Past-- 9/2009)

SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 9, 2012

Leaders must lead from the front in these areas

For all the talk about leadership today, staff members don’t listen as much as they watch – and consciously or unconsciously follow the example of their leader. The rhetoric of leaders only matters when the words and the practices of leaders are in alignment. If not in alignment, it will be the practices that are most often followed.

There are some areas, therefore, where leaders must lead from the front. Leading from the front is not about what we say but what we practice in some key areas of our lives. It is these practices which give our leadership moral integrity with our staff. And without this moral integrity, we will not have the influence we need to lead in ministry, no matter how gifted we are.

Here are some questions that healthy leaders ask themselves on a regular basis. And where they catch themselves slipping they deal with it – their leadership depends on it.

Am I living with personal integrity?


Personal integrity is present when my beliefs match my practice – when my theology matches my lifestyle. As Paul told Timothy, “watch your life and your doctrine closely.” This matters in both our private and public lives because lack of alignment will eventually show itself in our character – even if we have tried to keep it hidden.

Personal emotional health is directly connected to the alignment of our stated beliefs and our personal practices. We are only whole as leaders when our beliefs match our practices. It matters.

Do I keep my word?

Words matter. They are powerful indicators of our character because they either point toward character or away from character depending on our propensity to keep our word or not. Promises not kept are deadly for moral integrity. As Jesus said, “Let your yes be yes and your no be no.” It is better to say nothing than to promise something one does not intend to follow through on.

A key component in keeping our word is that of being clear about what we believe and what we intend to do. When a leader, in the desire to be popular is not honest about her or his intentions, they are not being honest and will inevitably be seen as not having kept their word.

Do I model healthy relationships?

Few things get in the way of healthy ministry more than unhealthy relationships: ongoing unresolved conflict; treating people with disrespect; lack of fairness; using people for our purposes or lack of empathy.


Staff members are acutely aware of whether their leader treats people well or not – regardless of whether they are above them, at their level or below them in the organizational chart. Few things will erode moral authority more than poor treatment of people and conversely few things will develop loyalty and respect as healthy relationships.

Do I keep organizational commitments and live the mission?

Every organization has a set of commitments, values or practices that it expects its staff to keep along with a mission that it is living out. One of the reasons that values, guiding principles or expected practices are not lived out is when staff do not see their leaders living them out.

For instance, a pastor might be adamant that his staff be loyal to him and support him but they know that he is not loyal to his board or support them. The lack of alignment between expectations and practice on the part of the leader undermine his moral authority with his staff. Staff will only take organizational expectations seriously when they see that their leader never compromises them themselves.

Am I open?


Leaders who are approachable and open, even when staff may disagree with them model an undefensive spirit that is a key component to a healthy organization. All too often, however, leaders feel that disagreement equals disloyalty (in fact, staff members who are willing to tell you the truth as they see it are actually the most loyal – if they have the best interests of you and the organization in mind). Lack of openness creates a climate of intimidation and fear within an organization where staff members know they cannot be honest.

Healthy leaders display an attitude of “nothing to prove, nothing to lose,” and are open to different ideas, constructive criticism and robust dialogue.

These five questions, asked of ourselves regularly, can ensure that we lead with the moral authority needed for long term success in a healthy environment. What we model as leaders is more important than what we espouse because when there is a conflict between the two, what we model is what our staff will believe.
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