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		<title>By: Val</title>
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		<dc:creator>Val</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cannot believe this was written in the 90&#039;s!!!!!!!! Barf...</description>
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		<title>By: d.c.</title>
		<link>http://fandaeagles.com/2009/08/more-documents/comment-page-1/#comment-486</link>
		<dc:creator>d.c.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 05:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dale wrote: &quot;Why is it that the same crowd who corrects and critisizes the victims never seems to be outraged at the offenders?&quot;

Couldn&#039;t agree more. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Dale!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dale wrote: &#8220;Why is it that the same crowd who corrects and critisizes the victims never seems to be outraged at the offenders?&#8221;</p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t agree more. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Dale!</p>
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		<title>By: yeah right</title>
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		<dc:creator>yeah right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 21:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, I am sure it&#039;s inappropriate of me to find that family article hilarious, but it really kind of is.  From the title (Strong Families - Not an Option for Missionaries...?) to all the contradictions to the blatant brainwashing attempt to make parents feel guilty and responsible for any issues their kids might have with going away to school...it&#039;s funny stuff.  Funny since I am not in this cult, of course.  

Don&#039;t Drink the Koolaid, Kids!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, I am sure it&#8217;s inappropriate of me to find that family article hilarious, but it really kind of is.  From the title (Strong Families &#8211; Not an Option for Missionaries&#8230;?) to all the contradictions to the blatant brainwashing attempt to make parents feel guilty and responsible for any issues their kids might have with going away to school&#8230;it&#8217;s funny stuff.  Funny since I am not in this cult, of course.  </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t Drink the Koolaid, Kids!</p>
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		<title>By: Shary Hauber</title>
		<link>http://fandaeagles.com/2009/08/more-documents/comment-page-1/#comment-474</link>
		<dc:creator>Shary Hauber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 18:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Dale When is the church and NTM going to learn that they can&#039;t pick which sins are sin to make a big issue of and ignore the gross sins. NTM seems to think parents are in need of reprimand for arguing because that is the reason kids don&#039;t want to go to boarding school. My parents didn&#039;t argue and provided a very good home. I didn&#039;t want to go to boarding school because the Mr. Smith was molesting my roommate every night at Mamou. 

NTM wake up you want to control everything that happens in your families, but what about the families of the molesters. Doesn&#039;t that molester by his act of molesting children ruin his relationship with his wife? Or do you think wives are just suppose to take it and forgive also? What about his kids, does he molest them too? It would not be unusual. You need to protect them too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Dale When is the church and NTM going to learn that they can&#8217;t pick which sins are sin to make a big issue of and ignore the gross sins. NTM seems to think parents are in need of reprimand for arguing because that is the reason kids don&#8217;t want to go to boarding school. My parents didn&#8217;t argue and provided a very good home. I didn&#8217;t want to go to boarding school because the Mr. Smith was molesting my roommate every night at Mamou. </p>
<p>NTM wake up you want to control everything that happens in your families, but what about the families of the molesters. Doesn&#8217;t that molester by his act of molesting children ruin his relationship with his wife? Or do you think wives are just suppose to take it and forgive also? What about his kids, does he molest them too? It would not be unusual. You need to protect them too.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale Ingraham</title>
		<link>http://fandaeagles.com/2009/08/more-documents/comment-page-1/#comment-472</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale Ingraham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 16:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am constantly amazed at how quick some professing christians are at correcting victims of sexual abuse. There is a need for them to not only share their story but to also be able to share their thoughts and feelings. Anger, frustration, hurt, betrayal, broken trust are all a part of what a survivor feels and they need a safe place to share it. If we as christians can&#039;t give them that safe place then we are little better than the offenders who brutalized them in the place. Why is it that the same crowd who corrects and critisizes the victims never seems to be outraged at the offenders? It seems like Job&#039;s 3 friends who rather than having compassion on him, they constantly corrected him and even began accusing him of horrible misdeeds. I doubt God is any more pleased with these people who attack the victims today than He was with job&#039;s 3 friends. Maybe the leaders of ntm should be coming to Kari, Bonnie,and the others asking them to pray for God&#039;s mercy on ntm. Just because this sin took place many years ago by people who may not now be connected to ntm does not make ntm clean before God in this matter. I believe that the whole Body of Christ has become vile before God because this is present in the Body of Christ and has gone largely undealt with. Much like Eli&#039;s two sons committing immorality in God&#039;s own house and Eli did nothing about it. It cost him his life and ministry. Maybe it&#039;s not too late for ntm and the church to get things right with God and truly repent of this sin, but I fear that we are running out of time. Jesus is coming soon. We can not change the past but we can change our course of action, it&#039;s called repentence. More than words it is change in our direction. Only until ntm and the church changes direction and is truely broken over this sin, will the victims know that their voice has been heard. When Daniel knew that the 70 years of captivity were almost up, he went and prayed for God&#039;s forgiveness for the sins of Israel as though they were his. We as christians should allow survivors to share their stories, thoughts and feelings. We should hold offenders accoutable for their sin, just as God tells us in His word. We should be broken over this sin (ps 51) not filled with pride and stuberness. May God bring His children to their knees</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am constantly amazed at how quick some professing christians are at correcting victims of sexual abuse. There is a need for them to not only share their story but to also be able to share their thoughts and feelings. Anger, frustration, hurt, betrayal, broken trust are all a part of what a survivor feels and they need a safe place to share it. If we as christians can&#8217;t give them that safe place then we are little better than the offenders who brutalized them in the place. Why is it that the same crowd who corrects and critisizes the victims never seems to be outraged at the offenders? It seems like Job&#8217;s 3 friends who rather than having compassion on him, they constantly corrected him and even began accusing him of horrible misdeeds. I doubt God is any more pleased with these people who attack the victims today than He was with job&#8217;s 3 friends. Maybe the leaders of ntm should be coming to Kari, Bonnie,and the others asking them to pray for God&#8217;s mercy on ntm. Just because this sin took place many years ago by people who may not now be connected to ntm does not make ntm clean before God in this matter. I believe that the whole Body of Christ has become vile before God because this is present in the Body of Christ and has gone largely undealt with. Much like Eli&#8217;s two sons committing immorality in God&#8217;s own house and Eli did nothing about it. It cost him his life and ministry. Maybe it&#8217;s not too late for ntm and the church to get things right with God and truly repent of this sin, but I fear that we are running out of time. Jesus is coming soon. We can not change the past but we can change our course of action, it&#8217;s called repentence. More than words it is change in our direction. Only until ntm and the church changes direction and is truely broken over this sin, will the victims know that their voice has been heard. When Daniel knew that the 70 years of captivity were almost up, he went and prayed for God&#8217;s forgiveness for the sins of Israel as though they were his. We as christians should allow survivors to share their stories, thoughts and feelings. We should hold offenders accoutable for their sin, just as God tells us in His word. We should be broken over this sin (ps 51) not filled with pride and stuberness. May God bring His children to their knees</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Long</title>
		<link>http://fandaeagles.com/2009/08/more-documents/comment-page-1/#comment-468</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Earlier, I said: I doubt any statement could possibly be more insulting to NTM than their own words. And their words are not hyperbole, either.

What I meant was that it is impossible to think of any words, any combination of words equal to the horror I felt when I read “Now that we know what the law requires, we cannot be silent.” – NTM Executive Committee

Profanity would blush before such a statement.  It is inadequate to the task.  The mild hyperbole that was used to introduce this article is nothing compared to what is required.

Please, NTM, tell us when this was published.  Was I in NTM when that came out?  Did I read it and do nothing?  I am disgusted with myself, ashamed of myself.  Did I really work for a mission that would say this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earlier, I said: I doubt any statement could possibly be more insulting to NTM than their own words. And their words are not hyperbole, either.</p>
<p>What I meant was that it is impossible to think of any words, any combination of words equal to the horror I felt when I read “Now that we know what the law requires, we cannot be silent.” – NTM Executive Committee</p>
<p>Profanity would blush before such a statement.  It is inadequate to the task.  The mild hyperbole that was used to introduce this article is nothing compared to what is required.</p>
<p>Please, NTM, tell us when this was published.  Was I in NTM when that came out?  Did I read it and do nothing?  I am disgusted with myself, ashamed of myself.  Did I really work for a mission that would say this?</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie</title>
		<link>http://fandaeagles.com/2009/08/more-documents/comment-page-1/#comment-467</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 13:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Seeking Truth:

I am wondering where you have found this information.  Is it hearsay, or fact?  Only a few WEEKS ago, I was told by someone in leadership in NTM that the offender was at that moment, still with NTM-Brasil.  So.  Either I was misinformed, or as you say, this offender was dismissed, OR the offender was dismissed AFTER NTM was called out on harboring him.  Which is it?  
If it is the latter, which I am assuming, then whoop-dee-doo.  
The point is, they allowed him to stay, after he confessed to abusing a girl - WHO CARES that the girl and her family preferred to not talk about it?  The fact is, NTM knew that he was a child molester, moved him to Brasil with that knowledge, and kept him for years.  
It makes no difference now, if he&#039;s been dismissed.  Once again, too little too late.  
Thankyou, though, for looking into it.  Seeking truth is what we are all about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Seeking Truth:</p>
<p>I am wondering where you have found this information.  Is it hearsay, or fact?  Only a few WEEKS ago, I was told by someone in leadership in NTM that the offender was at that moment, still with NTM-Brasil.  So.  Either I was misinformed, or as you say, this offender was dismissed, OR the offender was dismissed AFTER NTM was called out on harboring him.  Which is it?<br />
If it is the latter, which I am assuming, then whoop-dee-doo.<br />
The point is, they allowed him to stay, after he confessed to abusing a girl &#8211; WHO CARES that the girl and her family preferred to not talk about it?  The fact is, NTM knew that he was a child molester, moved him to Brasil with that knowledge, and kept him for years.<br />
It makes no difference now, if he&#8217;s been dismissed.  Once again, too little too late.<br />
Thankyou, though, for looking into it.  Seeking truth is what we are all about.</p>
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		<title>By: Kari</title>
		<link>http://fandaeagles.com/2009/08/more-documents/comment-page-1/#comment-466</link>
		<dc:creator>Kari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 13:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I vote leave it. M Bacchie is a troll. 

BTW, In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional or disciplinary response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

Not the kind who lives under a bridge and eats goats. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I vote leave it. M Bacchie is a troll. </p>
<p>BTW, In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional or disciplinary response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.</p>
<p>Not the kind who lives under a bridge and eats goats.</p>
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		<title>By: M Bacchie</title>
		<link>http://fandaeagles.com/2009/08/more-documents/comment-page-1/#comment-465</link>
		<dc:creator>M Bacchie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 13:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gene:

My point exactly; Let NTM&#039;s words speak for themselves.

Allen:

Let&#039;s get beyond this--Yes, hyperbole is a legitimate figure of speech, but honestly, from an outside perspective, using it in this way, it comes across as grandstanding--Yes, I know that wasn&#039;t the intention, but it does come across that way. And yes, of course we can express disgust at crap like this, but doing it in an appropirate way-  

I am not wanting to get into a flame war--All I wanted to do was express concern of how it was coming across.

Your&#039;e welcome to take it or leave it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene:</p>
<p>My point exactly; Let NTM&#8217;s words speak for themselves.</p>
<p>Allen:</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s get beyond this&#8211;Yes, hyperbole is a legitimate figure of speech, but honestly, from an outside perspective, using it in this way, it comes across as grandstanding&#8211;Yes, I know that wasn&#8217;t the intention, but it does come across that way. And yes, of course we can express disgust at crap like this, but doing it in an appropirate way-  </p>
<p>I am not wanting to get into a flame war&#8211;All I wanted to do was express concern of how it was coming across.</p>
<p>Your&#8217;e welcome to take it or leave it.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen Long</title>
		<link>http://fandaeagles.com/2009/08/more-documents/comment-page-1/#comment-464</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 12:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote from Anonymous: “For all the issues that NTM does have, you know that they don’t think that molesting is good for children.”
If that’s true, then why has this been going on for so long?  Why was NTM EVER “silent” about this?  

Quote from Anonymous:  “So why go down the road of hyperbole and vindictiveness?”
Hyperbole is a legitimate figure of speech.  There’s nothing vindictive about express disgust at stuff like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote from Anonymous: “For all the issues that NTM does have, you know that they don’t think that molesting is good for children.”<br />
If that’s true, then why has this been going on for so long?  Why was NTM EVER “silent” about this?  </p>
<p>Quote from Anonymous:  “So why go down the road of hyperbole and vindictiveness?”<br />
Hyperbole is a legitimate figure of speech.  There’s nothing vindictive about express disgust at stuff like this.</p>
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