Comments on: Statement from NTM http://fandaeagles.com/2009/07/from-the-ntm-eb-and-cpc/ Our Voice Sun, 29 Jan 2012 03:11:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: greg http://fandaeagles.com/2009/07/from-the-ntm-eb-and-cpc/comment-page-2/#comment-563 greg Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:23:43 +0000 http://ntmabuse.wordpress.com/?p=132#comment-563 to ntm NTM, you say you want to co-operate. you say all of these things, but you are full of it. your lawyers will not even call us back when they say they will. sound familiar? there are some pretty similar qualities between you're hired help and yourselves. but i must say it is not too suprising, you're trends are very predictable. talk to you soon, NTM. to ntm
NTM, you say you want to co-operate. you say all of these things, but you are full of it. your lawyers will not even call us back when they say they will. sound familiar? there are some pretty similar qualities between you’re hired help and yourselves. but i must say it is not too suprising, you’re trends are very predictable. talk to you soon, NTM.

]]> By: Xavier http://fandaeagles.com/2009/07/from-the-ntm-eb-and-cpc/comment-page-2/#comment-478 Xavier Mon, 03 Aug 2009 22:00:33 +0000 http://ntmabuse.wordpress.com/?p=132#comment-478 If the New Tribes organization and the Protestant church will do nothing to support you in this, I would contact the Catholic church and organizations such as ReGain. They have experience with multinational religious coverups and seem to be trying to do the right thing finally. I am sure they will give you some support and help get some press on this terrible issue. All true believers in Jesus Christ should be united about bringing light to such a terrible issue like child molestation. If the New Tribes organization and the Protestant church will do nothing to support you in this, I would contact the Catholic church and organizations such as ReGain. They have experience with multinational religious coverups and seem to be trying to do the right thing finally. I am sure they will give you some support and help get some press on this terrible issue. All true believers in Jesus Christ should be united about bringing light to such a terrible issue like child molestation.

]]> By: Naomi Cleaves (Quilliam) http://fandaeagles.com/2009/07/from-the-ntm-eb-and-cpc/comment-page-2/#comment-454 Naomi Cleaves (Quilliam) Mon, 03 Aug 2009 06:31:39 +0000 http://ntmabuse.wordpress.com/?p=132#comment-454 That was Luke 18:1-8 That was Luke 18:1-8

]]> By: Naomi Cleaves (Quilliam) http://fandaeagles.com/2009/07/from-the-ntm-eb-and-cpc/comment-page-2/#comment-453 Naomi Cleaves (Quilliam) Mon, 03 Aug 2009 06:29:50 +0000 http://ntmabuse.wordpress.com/?p=132#comment-453 1Then Jesus told his disciples a parable to show them that they should always pray and not give up. 2He said: "In a certain town there was a judge who neither feared God nor cared about men. 3And there was a widow in that town who kept coming to him with the plea, 'Grant me justice against my adversary.' 4"For some time he refused. But finally he said to himself, 'Even though I don't fear God or care about men, 5yet because this widow keeps bothering me, I will see that she gets justice, so that she won't eventually wear me out with her coming!' " 6And the Lord said, "Listen to what the unjust judge says. 7And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night? Will he keep putting them off? 8I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?" -from the online NIV bible 1Then Jesus told his disciples a parable to show them that they should always pray and not give up. 2He said: “In a certain town there was a judge who neither feared God nor cared about men. 3And there was a widow in that town who kept coming to him with the plea, ‘Grant me justice against my adversary.’

4″For some time he refused. But finally he said to himself, ‘Even though I don’t fear God or care about men, 5yet because this widow keeps bothering me, I will see that she gets justice, so that she won’t eventually wear me out with her coming!’ ”

6And the Lord said, “Listen to what the unjust judge says. 7And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night? Will he keep putting them off? 8I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?”

-from the online NIV bible

]]> By: Gene Long http://fandaeagles.com/2009/07/from-the-ntm-eb-and-cpc/comment-page-2/#comment-452 Gene Long Mon, 03 Aug 2009 05:44:44 +0000 http://ntmabuse.wordpress.com/?p=132#comment-452 Anonymous, of course: It is true that NTM cannot repent. As you observe, a legal entity – having no soul, no conscience, no will, no heart – can neither believe, repent or, for that matter, even be "Christian." Your illustration is apt: The USA often has evil people running the show. But, "we the people" have a method of removing those evil people from office. We are not always successful, but we are not generally punished for trying, or told that we should honor them because they are God given leadership. These victims have had no voice before. The power has always been in the hands of those who, by their failure to report these crimes to the authorities, were complicit in these crimes. Anonymous, of course: It is true that NTM cannot repent. As you observe, a legal entity – having no soul, no conscience, no will, no heart – can neither believe, repent or, for that matter, even be “Christian.”

Your illustration is apt: The USA often has evil people running the show. But, “we the people” have a method of removing those evil people from office. We are not always successful, but we are not generally punished for trying, or told that we should honor them because they are God given leadership.

These victims have had no voice before. The power has always been in the hands of those who, by their failure to report these crimes to the authorities, were complicit in these crimes.

]]> By: Kari http://fandaeagles.com/2009/07/from-the-ntm-eb-and-cpc/comment-page-2/#comment-451 Kari Mon, 03 Aug 2009 05:35:03 +0000 http://ntmabuse.wordpress.com/?p=132#comment-451 Comparing a corporation to a country is sort of a ridiculous way to try to make a point, anonymous of course. How about comparing it to another corporation like Enron? Do you see Kenneth Lay "migrating to another infrastructure within which he can continue operating in the same manner"? Comparing a corporation to a country is sort of a ridiculous way to try to make a point, anonymous of course. How about comparing it to another corporation like Enron?

Do you see Kenneth Lay “migrating to another infrastructure within which he can continue operating in the same manner”?

]]> By: Anonymous, of course http://fandaeagles.com/2009/07/from-the-ntm-eb-and-cpc/comment-page-2/#comment-450 Anonymous, of course Mon, 03 Aug 2009 05:21:38 +0000 http://ntmabuse.wordpress.com/?p=132#comment-450 NTM itself is not a person. It is an infrastructure consisting of various institutions and macro and micro organizations around the world. Now, to get practical here for a moment. When we say that "NTM has not repented", what are we saying? NTM is a legal entity that is "deemed" to exist, but NTM itself can do nothing. I really think the focus should be on individuals, and to some extent the "infrastructure" to the extent the relevant persons control the infrastructure, but in reality, the infrastructure cannot speak and act on its own behalf. Destroying the infrastructure does nothing to hold the persons responsible accountable for their actions because those persons can merely migrate to another infrastructure within which they can continue operating in the same manner. To illustrate my point, America has a lot of evil people running the show and it has a lot of evil activity in it, but does that necessarily mean that the entire USA should be destroyed? NTM itself is not a person. It is an infrastructure consisting of various institutions and macro and micro organizations around the world. Now, to get practical here for a moment. When we say that “NTM has not repented”, what are we saying? NTM is a legal entity that is “deemed” to exist, but NTM itself can do nothing. I really think the focus should be on individuals, and to some extent the “infrastructure” to the extent the relevant persons control the infrastructure, but in reality, the infrastructure cannot speak and act on its own behalf. Destroying the infrastructure does nothing to hold the persons responsible accountable for their actions because those persons can merely migrate to another infrastructure within which they can continue operating in the same manner. To illustrate my point, America has a lot of evil people running the show and it has a lot of evil activity in it, but does that necessarily mean that the entire USA should be destroyed?

]]> By: Dave Bertelsen http://fandaeagles.com/2009/07/from-the-ntm-eb-and-cpc/comment-page-2/#comment-447 Dave Bertelsen Mon, 03 Aug 2009 04:44:02 +0000 http://ntmabuse.wordpress.com/?p=132#comment-447 Rev Philips- What a pat answer. Spoken like a true ivory tower hypocrite. Maybe if you appeared to think that these people's pain was valid instead of trying to throw verses at it, you wouldn't sound like NTM hired you to do damage control. Rev Philips-
What a pat answer. Spoken like a true ivory tower
hypocrite. Maybe if you appeared to think that these
people’s pain was valid instead of trying to throw verses
at it, you wouldn’t sound like NTM hired you to do damage control.

]]> By: Kari http://fandaeagles.com/2009/07/from-the-ntm-eb-and-cpc/comment-page-2/#comment-446 Kari Mon, 03 Aug 2009 03:56:46 +0000 http://ntmabuse.wordpress.com/?p=132#comment-446 I'm going to echo here something I said on another post. People and especially church leaders who encourage abuse victims to "move-on" and "forgive and forget" often have something to hide themselves. I’m going to echo here something I said on another post. People and especially church leaders who encourage abuse victims to “move-on” and “forgive and forget” often have something to hide themselves.

]]> By: Gene Long http://fandaeagles.com/2009/07/from-the-ntm-eb-and-cpc/comment-page-2/#comment-444 Gene Long Mon, 03 Aug 2009 03:34:51 +0000 http://ntmabuse.wordpress.com/?p=132#comment-444 According to a story in the Orlando Sentinel byGary Taylor, Sentinel Staff Writer, dated March 15, 2008, "The families of five Florida-based missionaries kidnapped and slain by Colombian terrorists filed suit this week against Cincinnati-based Chiquita Brands International, accusing the well-known banana grower of providing the killers with money, guns and ammunition." I wonder how many people have counseled these victims to "move on"? According to a story in the Orlando Sentinel byGary Taylor, Sentinel Staff Writer, dated March 15, 2008, “The families of five Florida-based missionaries kidnapped and slain by Colombian terrorists filed suit this week against Cincinnati-based Chiquita Brands International, accusing the well-known banana grower of providing the killers with money, guns and ammunition.”

I wonder how many people have counseled these victims to “move on”?

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